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Нет, пенсии в России не высокие, но не настолько. Вот ссылка на табличку о минимальных пенсиях по разным регионам России: Минимальный размер пенсии в 2014г.Quote:
Is it natural a person to possess 8 billions and the other to starve or receive pension of less than 50 euro?
В моем регионе минимальная пенсия 6000 руб. в месяц По сегодняшнему курсу рубля к евро это примерно 130 евро. Мой отец получает пенсию 18000 руб. в месяц. Это 390 евро в месяц.
Kind of puts it in perspective, $34,000 in the area I live (New Jersey) is NOT a lot of money.
We are the 1%: You need $34k income to be in the global elite... and half the world's richest live in the U.S. | Mail Online
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Originally Posted by Eric C.
Ещё менее естественно верить в подобный бред.Quote:
Is it natural a person to possess 8 billions and the other to starve or receive pension of less than 50 euro?
Хотя сам вопрос смахивает на коммунистический лозунг. :)
Thanks for explaining all that!Quote:
Originally Posted by SergeMak
What about taxes then? Did people pay taxes in the USSR, or were the "taxes" already taken off the salary before the employee recieved it?
Were there things like VAT? (value added tax)
And who decided the prices, and what was the pricing based on? Based on my limited experience from there, most things were very, very cheap - and I was a kid/teenager so did not come with a lot of money. A few things on the other hand seemed disproportionately expensive. So what were the Soviet prices actually based on? Or perhaps, in a truly socialist economy it didn't actually matter very much what things cost? But there must have been some logic to what prices they set, even if I didn't notice what it could have been.
Belarus has some remnants of this system left, although I think most of it is gone. But if you go into a department store there, you can find a Belarussian swimming costume for $10, perfectly nice one. On the next rack, one from another nearby country, nothing special but costing $100 despite being of identical quality, material and cut. Unless there was a really compelling reason not to, you'd be a fool not to buy the first swimming costume... Obviously $10 cannot be the real price, at the very most it could be material + labour with no profit margin. Probably not even that. But who set the price that low... I bought such a bargain swimming costume and am very pleased with it, used it recently. Also, in Belarus they sell gorgeous icecream for 0.30 EUR. A similar but less tasty icecream in the UK costs 3-4 EUR at least.
Sorry Antonio, I can't write something this complicated in Russian. I actually wrote my long response, because I just assumed you wanted a response in English. If you preferred a response in Russian, lots of people here could have written something much better than me. Apologies, I didn't spot that you mentioned it...
What is the income tax in Russia?
In my country the extremely rich pay a tax of 40%.
Chto znachit slovo smaxivat'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
похож, напоминаетQuote:
Originally Posted by Antonio1986
смахивает - разговорное, наверное, сленг
In a word that the only philosophical schools are capitalism and communism perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
There are thousands of schools of thoughts supporting social justice that don't have any relation with communism.
Except if we consider communistic the systems of the Scandinavians, UK, etc where the super-rich pay extremely high income taxes in order to support a healthy social network, supporting education and social security.
Russia is ages behind regarding this specific issue.
How can one of the richest and most fearful countries of the word to have so many people living under the poverty threshold?
Except if we support Darwinism and the law of the jungle? If Abramovitz and the other guys made millions ... we shouldn't say: Congratulations you are clever and you made them. The state should ask them: How you made all this money? If it was illegally: Confiscation of wealth and immediately jail. Sounds romantic? Nope ... even Italians, one of the less organized nations in Europe, had the balls to say to Mr. Berlusconi you were not legal and you must pay. Except if you consider Russia something totally different from other European Countries, that should have rules more close to the systems of China or India?
Ханна, в Советском Союзе подоходный налог вычитался из зарплаты работника при расчете зарплаты и на руки работник получал деньги уже за вычетом налога. Так что никаких налоговых деклараций заполнять было не надо. Был также такой интересный налог, как налог на бездетность. В народе он назывался "холостяцкие вычеты". Основной доход государство все же получало от налогов с предприятий, а не с граждан. НДС (VAT) в СССР не было. Подробнее о системе налогообложения в СССР можно почитать здесь: [url]http://newsruss.ru/doc/index.php/Налоговая_система_ССС
Yeah, my point exactly. Tbh, I would rather think $34K is below average. But I realize it very well that there are people for whom it's a fortune in itself, so saying "that one's evil coz he has a coupla millions and I don't" just makes you look more narrow-minded than you really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by fortheether
Налог 13%. Кроме случаев выигрыша в лотерею и некоторых других. Подробнее здесь
Налог на доходы физических лиц
У нас в порядке вещей, когда самые богатые по документам имеют очень маленький доход.
Уральские пельмени • Май-На • 16. Опера «Бедный чиновник»
http://www.gl5.ru/u/uralskie-pelmeni...chinovnik.html
who are they people living under the poverty threshold?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio1986
I drive around the region where i live a lot. And all the ppl i see who are employed in street cleanin and stuff like that even in small towns are immigrants. When the paperwork to employ an immigrant is a pain. Who are those poor people who refuse to work for >=300 euros?
How state can do anything with them without turning into "evil dictatorship"? Look at Khodorkovsky example. After confiscation and jail he's welcome and loved in Europe "freedom fighter" and "political prisoner". So who has what rules and who's different from what after that? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio1986
It was huge American scheme of influence in order to destroy the country in 90s. And you can't just get rid of the consequencies like in 3 or 5 years.
Social justice is never made through intimidating and jailing people who don't "fit". I hope any system doing so ends up like Iraq!Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio1986
Speaking of how it works internally in Russia, as far as I know, after the 1990s, they suppressed a lot of political liberties, but at the same time, they try to keep the economic liberties and market values up and running. That said, as long as you only mind your business making money, and don't get into the politics, you can have as much freedom as in the States. But once you have publicly gotten political, and some of your views have been disapproved by Putin & co. , the consequences for you are undefined. The only difference between Khodorkovsky and those other oligarchs who have been well off in Russia was that the former one was trying to become a political figure, and the others never did that.
Well, at least, sure thing I can say, it could've been much worse. I just hope they in Russia don't start suppressing market liberties as you suggested. The purpose of the state is to ensure well-being for everyone, but not at the cost of others. It shouldn't "ask", "take" etc. , it should "offer", "give", and so on.
Could you explain our state its function? Obviously, Putin sees his mission differently :pardon:Quote:
It shouldn't "ask", "take" etc. , it should "offer", "give"
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Originally Posted by maxmixiv
out of interest, why would a normal person not be able to even approach the river?
Mostly bank is swampy/oozy/ and/or rushy and/or too steep. And again, Irtysh is too dirty (always) and cold (this season).
"There are about 5 million homeless people in Russia and of that number, 1 million are children. Studies show that Moscow has the largest share of homeless people in the country, accounting for 10,000 – 50,000 (depending on the source of information). Despite the ever growing number, there remains no social approach to the problem."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
United States has better statistics but the situation is about the same.
Conclusion both Russia and USA are more close to the social systems of India, Indonesia, Phillipines etc.
Я подозреваю что это за статистика, и что это за бездомные. Несколько лет назад, когда я продал квартиру и искал другую чтобы купить, я год не имел регистрации и наверное был одним из этих пяти миллионов.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio1986
Там где я живу - физически невозможно быть реально бездомным. Ближайшая зима будет последней в твоей жизни.
Я думаю по этой статистике безработные, которые гоняют по Москве на Кайеннах и на выходные летают в Монако, тоже under the poverty threshold :)
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Mark Twain
Никогда не понимал, почему после падения совка вы не избавились от этого позорного института регистрации...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_krsk
А вы почему не избавились от него за столько лет?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric C.
Хотя мне кажется кто-то здесь путает советскую прописку с вышеупомянутой регистрацией. Но удивляться здесь нечему.