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Anyone here been to/are from Murmansk?
Looks like an interesting place.
Can you tell me anything about it? Interesting customs, differences with the rest of Russia... etc. How people act differently in this area as apposed to the rest of Russia.. etc. Are there many people there that speak other languages?
Just discuss some things like this, если вам не трудно. :wink:
we had a discussion about it... maybe 4 or 5 months ago ? i don't know if u were here then carper (can i call you carper? :D ) Anyways. To sum it up...
Radioactive, frozen-over, lonely, northern hell hole.
i dont know if i heard one good word about it... i looked on the geographical map and it actually falls into the category of "ground is frozen tundna about 10 months out of the year".
but this is all i remember from that thread... does anybody else recall it ? It might be a cool place to visit... hell i'd go. But not a very cool place to live.
above the arctic circle, and has northern lights in the winter which is pretty damn cool. 40-45 hours from petersburg by train i believe.
Why, of course you can call me carper, and thanks for asking. Too bad about the nuclear wasteland... :cry: I sure as hell don't mind the cold, so I thought it would be an interesting place to travel to. After all, what other city do you know of in such a place with a population roughly the same size as Seattle?! But, that whole 'glowing skin' thing just rubs me the wrong way, ja no? Why did Russia have to mess around with nuclear power? Ho humm,,, guess I'll have to wait a few thousand years to visit Murmansk. :roll:
Well, I actually went to Murmansk last summer for a couple of weeks and it was nice, quite warm actually, 25 - 30C (you work it out in F, I'm crap at maths). And I never saw any nuclear wasteland there. What I did see were green woods, rocks and beautiful lakes. OK, the trees were seldom tall, but that's a latitude thing, nothing to do with 'nuclear waste'. We had a great time camping there.Quote:
Originally Posted by carperdiem
What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by carperdiem
Why are the US doing just that? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by carperdiem
Why is the US doing just thatQuote:
Why are the US doing just that?
I think it was a joke, refering to people with radiation poisening as (glowing skin).Quote:
carperdiem wrote:
But, that whole 'glowing skin' thing just rubs me the wrong way, ja no?
What are you talking about?
come to think of it, i wouldn't mind going there either. thats kinda why i want(ed) to go to vladivostok. It's hard to get to and there is not much there :) Same reason i think i want to go to kazakhstan! Hot running water just makes life to easy you know?
OK. i got anxious and looked up some pictures of murmansk.
looks worse than kazakhstan, but hey i'd still go!
The landscape was
sparse, only low shrubs on the tundra driving on a narrow road cut through
the snow drifts, long sticks marking the edges for the plow, Russians in
their typical black/grey coats and fur hats walking in the wasteland.We drove through a few towns and the housing is in terrible shape, all of the
functional style but dirty and run down.
http://www.keithv.com/scans/murmank_apartments.jpg
Since 2pm today we have run out of things to dohttp://www.keithv.com/scans/murmansk_hotel_view.jpg
Typical Russian apartment complex, functional functional functional.
http://www.keithv.com/scans/murmansk_skyline.jpg
Doesn't suprise me that it's not a hot tourist checkpoint... but hey, you got my attention.
Should I look up picture of Harlem before going to New York?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
It actually is - thousands of Finns, Swedes and Norwegians come to Murmansk on a regular basis. Naturally red carpets will be rolled out for the visit of his Royal Highness Prince Dogboy 182nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
A few quotes from British pages:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
"The US are leading and have been made aware of the UKs interest." (www.defra.gov.uk/environment/chemicals/ csf/12112001/pdf/csf-01-23.pdf)
"The US are leading this war as ruthlessly as possible..." (www.owcinfo.org)
"Now the US are going to make the biggest mistake..." (www.socialistworker.co.uk/1801/sw180116.htm)
"The US are going to 'liberate' Iraq, whether the Iraqis want them to or not..." (www.spinneyhead.co.uk/Soldiers/ 2002_12_29_OldSoldiers.html)
"So the US are going to kindly do that for them..." (www.daydreamnation.co.uk/expressway/badmen.html)
"Now the US are preparing to spend at least another $60 billion..." (www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news266.htm)
"The US are getting out of nation teenage and moving on to
superpower status..." (all-computer-books.co.uk/search_James_Sinclair/ searchBy_Author.html)
"The US are sending in another 120,000 troops." (www.scoobynet.co.uk/ bbs/thread.asp?threadid=192614&Page=1 - 66k)
Need I say more? I'm sorry if a couple of links here are broken, it was a quick internet search around UK-based websites.
screw you. "The US Are..."anything" " Sounds funny, i don't give a sh*t what the hell britain says. IT SOUNDS GAY.
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Should I look up picture of Harlem before going to New York
Why not? there's plent of wonderful things in harlem, having been there myself i would know.
Exactly my point. It's not a hotspot at all. THOUSANDS isn't anything. Why don't you compare that to number of tourists of St petersburg or Moscow? i bet it's 10X higher than that of murmansk. Murmansk isn't anythingQuote:
It actually is - thousands of Finns, Swedes and Norwegians come to Murmansk on a regular basis. Naturally red carpets will be rolled out for the visit of his Royal Highness Prince Dogboy 182nd.
Look jerk, i was never saying murmansk is a bad place, pointing out it's baren lunar landscape might sound like an insult. But it's actually integuing to a few people. Calling it a frozen hell hole is just describing the terrain. It doesn't mean it's bad. Some people prefer sand and beach, some people prefer ice and snow. I would go to murmansk over just about anywhere else in the world, so pull the knightstick out of your arse sgt. grumpy.
Oh, and i heres what a random person had to say...
Oleg says: Haha, cool.
Русский Р
The second picture doesn't look bad at all.
And it is "the US are" in British. Maybe Americans don't know their grammar, seeing as it's an abbreviation for 'United States', but most likely they just want to stress their unity.
Btw, I don't think the opinion of one random guy will convince VendingMachine. :)
Ага, i know i know Are = plural, is = singular. but. the "US" might stand for "states". But it is pronounced "YOU ESS" Thus, sounds like singular, thus sounds funny when saying are. If you would have said "Why then are the united states doing that...." then that would have been OK. But for the abbreviation, IT JUST IS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper May
Also... The United States, is more a singular name, than a plural noun.
If somebody was in geography class, and the teacher said "We live in the United States. The United States are a big place". Would sound very funny, because it sounds like you are talking about the states being a far away land. It just sounds better for some reason to say "The United States is a big place." just like if there was a city called "Rising Rivers, California", and a family is going there, they wouldb't say "Are rising rivers right over there?" they would say "Is rising rivers right over there". It is plural, yes, but it is also a name, and it sounds funny to say are.
Well bugger you, mate, I'm studying British English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
It's just a figure of speech, you [expletive deleted]. Not meant to be taken literary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Murmansk is a much smaller place you [expletive deleted]. It and the landscapes around it draw a LOT of tourists, especially backpackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Oi! Mind your language! Wee bairn, you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Mind your language, son. You're definately cruising for a bruising here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
If you drive one kilometer off the Tivoli in Copenhagen, you'll see lots of pictures like that, especially in winter. Same colors, same clouds of smoke over industrial sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper May
Поройтесь здесь http://www.murman.ru/. Наверняка найдете нужную информацию.Quote:
Originally Posted by carperdiem
Я был в Мурманске пару раз, правда давненько, лет 20 назад. В общем обычный город. По сравнению с Сибирью, зимой довольно тепло. Все-таки Гольфстрим рядом :D. А вот природа красивая. Пару часов на электричке - и вы уже в центре Хибин...
От Питера на поезде ехать примерно сутки, если мне память не изменяет.
Yepp, I have Swedish friends who have visited! Although, for them the northern light and light all 24 hours of the day, isn't exotic. But Murmansk might be!Quote:
It actually is - thousands of Finns, Swedes and Norwegians come to Murmansk on a regular basis.
"Spasebo" for your very informative post. Just out of curiosity, how did you travel to Murmansk?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendingMachine
"Na zdorove!"
talk about dead post revival.
I was really enthusiastic when I found these boards and was looking forward to learning more about Northern Russia and Murmansk in particular. "Spasebo" for throwing a bucket of cold water on my enthusiasm. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
If your goal was to discourage a new person from ever posting here again, congratulations because you most definitely succeeded.
I think that bus through Kirkenes i common way of getting there.
Rofl. OK man. I think its self esteem check time. I wasn't saying anything bad about you or personally attacking you in any way. If you want to travel to northern Russia, thats awesome. I know someone who knows someone in Kirovsk, just outside of murmansk. If you want i can hook you up with a place to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnmark
These forums are full of nice and interesting people, even if i am not one of them there are about 30 other regular posters here who would be delighted to talk to you about all aspects of russian life. So please let me formally appoligize for emotionally destroying your warm feelings that you had towards us and our little part of the internet, and welcome you with an open hand. And a cold shot of vodka... That is if you accept my offer?
I actually quite like the second picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Sorry guys, I know this thread is quite old, but I have been reading about Murmansk today and found this... :o
Not as much as I like the first picture! :D :idea:
You got to like the third picture though! Now that is промышленость!
I like the way in Russian cities the grass is often left long and uncut.
Please. Just admit you find the phallic-like qualities of the smoke stacks, gentlemen. :lol:
Топик, безусловно, очень старый, но я живу в Мурманске, поэтому не мог обойти его стороной. Если эти фотографии — всё, что вы знаете о Мурманске, то вы не знаете ничего! Чуть позже я покажу вам своё видение города.
а что там знать? Разве он не типичный советский город? Чем он отличается, напрмер, Владивостока?
Я не был во Владивостоке, поэтому не знаю, чем похожи (или отличаются) эти города...
Красота Мурманска сокрыта, и заключается она в его природе, а также в его людях. Эта красота сурова, однако всего за год она меня покорила. В самом же городе, если подразумевать под ним нагромождение зданий, нет ничего примечательного, как Вы верно подметили, однако меня вряд ли более впечатлят огни Лас-Вегаса или Чикаго...
2velisarus - ну а где фотки? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Чуть позже. Фото ещё подобрать нужно, а у меня дело важное есть...
Ну вот, я подобрал около двух десятков фотографий Мурманска и окрестностей, а также несколько просто интересных и красивых фотографий, не объединённых никакой тематикой.
Теперь дело за малым --- нужно их немного обработать и выложить в сети. К сожалению, сейчас я этого сделать не могу, но к вечеру, в крайнем случае завтра утром, обещаю предоставить на суд почтенной публике всю эту красоту.
Человек, которому не понравится хотя бы одна из этих фотографий, пусть первый бросит в меня камень.
Вы увидите, что на Кольском севере всё не так мрачно!
В прошлом веке я была в водном походе Кинемур-Паной-Варзуга-Белое море. Замечательно красивая природа!Quote:
Originally Posted by velisarus
Как и обещал, даю ссылку на мой фотоальбом. Средний размер фотографии --- 120Kb. Я понаставил везде копирайтов, так как большинство фотографий не мои и мне не хочется получать по шапке, если какие-либо из них всплывут в сети. Фотографии пока не подписаны. Enjoy :)
Прошу оставлять комментарии...
Ещё несколько фотографий, на которые навёл хороший человек. Они мне очень понравились:
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1.../mst_02bws.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1...jdesnvo_02.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1..._12_01HDRs.jpg
http://photofile.ru/photo/alek_sande...9/31680980.jpg
Спасибо за внимание!
Прекрасно!Quote:
Originally Posted by velisarus
8)
И это было сказано о Мурманске... Ёлки-палки, ну разве так можно? Хотелось бы ответить стихами Николая Колычева:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Не сравнивайте Родину свою
С иной землей – то Родина другого.
Не сравнивайте, чтоб не ранить словом
Явившихся на свет в ином краю.
Не сравнивайте Родину свою,
Ведь это несравнимо, несравненно,
Как руки матерей в ветвистых венах…
Не сравнивайте Родину свою.
Когда душа безбрежна и чиста,
То бескорыстно любят, не ревнуя.
Не отвергая красоту иную.
Весь этот мир – большая красота.