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February 3rd, 2007, 07:03 PM
DDT

Want vs Won't

How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?
February 3rd, 2007, 08:09 PM
Vincent Tailors

Вонт и Воунт?
February 3rd, 2007, 11:15 PM
DDT

Thanks! I'll see if that works.
February 4th, 2007, 03:45 PM
Wowik

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Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

Вонт и Воунт?

Уонт и Воунт.
Раньше было приняло Уотсон, Уатт, Уайт-холл, уайт-спирт.
Может оно и лучше было, чем теперешние Ватсон, Ватт,...
February 4th, 2007, 05:42 PM
TATY

If you want to just highlight the difference of the vowel sound, then
Вонт and Воунт will probably suffice.

If you want to make more of a W sound, perhaps Уонт Уоунт are better. Or you could use the Belarussian Ў :P
February 25th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Propp

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Originally Posted by Wowik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

Вонт и Воунт?

Уонт и Воунт.
Раньше было приняло Уотсон, Уатт, Уайт-холл, уайт-спирт.
Может оно и лучше было, чем теперешние Ватсон, Ватт,...

Может... Только ты немного "попутал мешки"... Сначала были Ватсон и Ватт, а потом, ближе ко второй половине 20 века согласно официальным правилам транскрипции они стали Уотсонами и Уаттами.
February 26th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Wowik

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Originally Posted by Propp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wowik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

Вонт и Воунт?

Уонт и Воунт.
Раньше было приняло Уотсон, Уатт, Уайт-холл, уайт-спирт.
Может оно и лучше было, чем теперешние Ватсон, Ватт,...

Может... Только ты немного "попутал мешки"... Сначала были Ватсон и Ватт, а потом, ближе ко второй половине 20 века согласно официальным правилам транскрипции они стали Уотсонами и Уаттами.

Ну а теперь-то опять Ватсон. Так, что ничего не попутал, вторую половину и имел ввиду. Просто тут не одно колебание, судя по-всему.
Взять, опять же "быстрых разумом невтонов" :D

Вообщем, бардак!
Единица измерения Ватт названиа в честь создателя паровой машины Уатта :-)
February 26th, 2007, 10:34 AM
Guin

Re: Want vs Won't

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDT

How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?

May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings? :D :D :D
February 26th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Ramil

Старый баян:

- Hello, are you there?
- Yes, who are you, please?
- I'm Watt.
- What's your name?
- Watt's my name.
- Yes, what's your name?
- My name is John Watt.
- John what?
- Yes, are you Jones?
- No, I'm Knot.
- Wil you tell me your name than?
- Will Knott.
- Why not?
- My name is Knott.
- Not what?
- Not Watt, Knott.
- What?

:lol:
February 26th, 2007, 02:20 PM
Оля

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Originally Posted by Wowik

Ну а теперь-то опять Ватсон.

Это новость для меня.
February 26th, 2007, 04:10 PM
Wowik

Re: Want vs Won't

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guin

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDT

How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?

May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings? :D :D :D

А что? :o Разве есть разница? :lol:

[кант] and [ка:нт] ([ка-aнт])

All "А" under a stress are equal. You can try to vary only the length of the vowel.
February 26th, 2007, 07:10 PM
Yazeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramil

Старый баян:

- Hello, are you there?
- Yes, who are you, please?
- I'm Watt.
- What's your name?
- Watt's my name.
- Yes, what's your name?
- My name is John Watt.
- John what?
- Yes, are you Jones?
- No, I'm Knot.
- Wil you tell me your name than?
- Will Knott.
- Why not?
- My name is Knott.
- Not what?
- Not Watt, Knott.
- What?

:lol:

lmfao hahah good one, Ramil!
February 26th, 2007, 10:34 PM
capecoddah

A chat friend has a song about "Willie". Confused me until she told me it was to learn different sounds not "normal" in Russian. She chats on office time so she sings it quietly. I sing "Head, shoulders, knees and toes" in Russian (words supplied by a poster) and the "Hokey Pokey". I work for myself, so I don't look like a complete idiot.
February 27th, 2007, 01:02 AM
chaika

In American English the two words are very different:

уант -- уонт. Want has a clear /a/ sound and won't has a clear /o/ sound.
February 27th, 2007, 03:31 AM
laxxy

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by Wowik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guin

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDT

How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?

May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings? :D :D :D

А что? :o Разве есть разница? :lol:

[кант] and [ка:нт] ([ка-aнт])

All "А" under a stress are equal. You can try to vary only the length of the vowel.

this is not true (not even in BrE -- and in AmE, they have nothing in common at all). Neither in BrE nor in AmE are there any vowels that would differ only in length, iirc.
February 27th, 2007, 07:43 AM
scotcher

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by Guin

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDT

How can I spell these two English words phonetically for a Russian speaker so he can see the difference in pronunciation?

May ask a similar question? How should I spell the words "cunt" and "can't" in order to avoid misunderstandings? :D :D :D

Can you represent the difference to avoid ambiguity?

но, ю кант :)
February 27th, 2007, 07:49 AM
Guin

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by scotcher

Can you represent the difference to avoid ambiguity?

но, ю кант :)

:lol: :oops:
February 27th, 2007, 09:39 AM
Wowik

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by laxxy

this is not true

Правда-правда, я про русский писал. Для рускоязычного все ударные А одинаковы. Можно только длительность изобразить, удвоив букву.
February 27th, 2007, 11:20 AM
VendingMachine

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by Wowik

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Originally Posted by laxxy

this is not true

Правда-правда, я про русский писал. Для рускоязычного все ударные А одинаковы. Можно только длительность изобразить, удвоив букву.

Are you sure? Does the last "a" in "салат" sound the same as in "парк"? When I say "салат", the "a" is longer than that of "парк" and its quality resembles that of "э" in "эра" to some extent. Common spelling mistake that schoolchildren make in Russia is "сылэт".
February 27th, 2007, 12:08 PM
Wowik

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Does the last "a" in "салат" sound the same as in "парк"?

Звучать может и по-разному. Звук же окружен другими, и они влияют по-разному. Но рускоязычный человек никогда не задумывается, что он их произносит по-разному. Для него все ударные А если уж и не одинаковы, то эквивалентны. Он их может и отличает, но не различаетб не противопоставляет. И транскрибировать он их иначе, как через А, не будет.

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Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Common spelling mistake that schoolchildren make in Russia is "сылэт".

Может где-то в горах Дагестана так и пишут :lol: У нас пишут "сылат".

Тут ЯТЬ и Е триста лет никто различает, хотя отличия в произношении остались. Вот уж где школьных ошибок было навалом.
February 27th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Yazeed

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by scotcher

но, ю кэнт :)

=P
February 27th, 2007, 01:23 PM
Wowik

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by Yazeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

но, ю кэнт :)

=P

Не! Русский-то поймет правильно, зато его могут не понять :-)

Англоязычные подумают, что Kent

http://www.mirtabaka.ru/images/Kent/...per_lights.gif

Хотя русские думают, что это [кент]
February 27th, 2007, 02:41 PM
scotcher

Re: Want vs Won't

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Originally Posted by Yazeed

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Originally Posted by scotcher

но, ю кэнт :)

=P

That might work if you're trying to learn English with an affected American accent. You'd get funny looks anywhere else in the English-speaking world though.