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I didn't see an "English for Americans, Britons, Canadians, Austrailians, etc." but this seemed pretty close.
Would you pronounce a number like 146 like:
a: one hundred forty six
b: one hundred and forty six
I hear many people interject an "and" in there, and sometimes saying a number without saying "and" can sound quite unnatural.
I was taught that the use of "and" is quite wrong in cases like your example above, as the use of an "and" indicates a decimal (e.g. you would say "one hundred fifty dollars and forty cents" but not "one hundred and fifty dollars and forty cents") Then again, it is possible I was taught incorrectly.
I remember quite clearly my first grade teacher Mrs.Schultz smacking us on the backs of our heads when we said 'and' in a number. A whole lesson was devoted to teach us 'the correct' way of saying a number.
146 would in her terms be one hundred forty six. That to me at least sounds correct, but the beatings may have helped with that :wink:
I do throw the 'and' in all the time, both sound pretty normal.
Hehe, That sound completely normal to me, but I do live in a pretty hick and grammaticaly indifferent state. My neighbor Billybob might even ask "Kain you borree me a hun'red aind fourty seeks duhllers?" :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Линдзи
One hundred and forty six is standard in British English. Couldn't bear to omit it, myself. Talk about divided by a common language or however it goes.
I would never, never, NEVER *ahem* say "One hundred fourty six" that sounds completely wrong. I disagree with the teacher who hit people, because the "and" is not just inserted because it is lazy, common, incorrect usage, but because you always insert an "and" after a hundred, just like in French a ten-one always has an and:
"trente-et-un" correct (assuming it has hyphens - i'm not imagining that am I?)
"trente un" incorrect.
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Given that the subject of the thread is 'pronouncing' .. I think we should also mention:
In British English, we say 'a hundred and forty six' but the 'and' is almost always reduced to 'n'. You can also say 'one hundred 'n' forty six' but that's less common.
But when it comes to a thousand you generally have to say 'one thousand three hundred' not 'a thousand three hundred', but you *can* say 'a thousand' instead of 'one thousand'. There are a lot of little 'rules' like this, although they're not super-important.
doesn't matter. you can say it either way, both are excepted! :D
that's an interesting spelling mistake
I hear some people say "One fourty six", but thats incorrect. I think the right way is One hundred and fourty six, but a lot of people I hear don't speak proper like that. They shorten it.
Here's yet another opinion! This one from the perspective of a math tutor. One should never say "and" unless you are indicating a decimal point. So 146 would be read "one hundred forty-six". "146.5" would be read "one hundred forty-six and five tenths.
However I would never hit a child over it! :o
It's interesting to note that in British English this is not the case. It is amazing how our language (or should I say languages?!) is so similar and yet very different at the same time.
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What about the word 'point'? I heard 146.5 can be said like 'one hundred 'n' fourty six point five'
In America it is collequal (however uncorrectly) to pronounce 146 like: "one hundred 'n (or and) forty six".
When we want to a number with a decimal point we will say 'point' followed by each number singularly or grouped. For example, 146.46 is pronounced: "one hundred 'n (or and) forty six point four six" or "one hundred 'n (or and) forty six point forty six"
Confused yet?
Also I often hear fifteen hundred instead of one thousand five hudred for 1500. Is this common in America and GB?
It's common in America (for 1,500) to say either fifteen hundred or one thousand five hundred. The reason we say fifteen hundred is because fifteen hundreds equal 1,500. It is slightly informal to say fifteen hundred.
You can say 'fifteen hundred' in dates, but not in much else. Otherwise, at least in Britspeak, use "one thousand five hundred".
[edit:] This is bollocks. You can also say 'there were fifteen hundred casualties' or 'fifteen hundred pianolas'. Gah, I don't know.
Hey, on that subject, does anyone remember having long discussions with friends back in the 90s about 'what will we call the year when it gets to 2000? And we ended up going for two thousand, two thousand and one etc. instead of oh-one or zero-one, even though it's the longest option.
Is there a shorthand version for dve tisyacha blah blah gody in Russian?
on the subject of decimals out loud, here is my way of saying it, which I believe to be correct:
1375.677567
"One thousand, three hundred and seventy-five point six seven seven five six seven"
when you say the section after the decimal point you do not read it as a large number, but as single digits
From my side I'm not sure how to pronounce it in Russian. Probably so: “Тысяча триста семьдесят пять целых, шестьсот семьдесят семь тысяч пятьсот шестьдесят семь миллионных.” Right?
In Russian, wouldn't it be written as 173,203485 insead of 173.203485?
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Originally Posted by emka71aln
Yep, you can say fifteen hundred and so on whenever you want. Although I hate it when people say that(unless they're referring to a date). I always say one thousand five hundred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper May
I always hated Russian decimals. What do Russian scientists say when they need to express a long decimal number? Do they really sit there and think about how many миллионых it is? Or is there a better way?Quote:
From my side I'm not sure how to pronounce it in Russian. Probably so: “Тысяча триста семьдесят пять целых, шестьсот семьдесят семь тысяч пятьсот шестьдесят семь миллионных.” Right?
I also find it difficult to believe that Russian scientists would talk like that .. perhaps they use the same idea as Anglophone scientists? For example:
0.0004563 would be: "Four point five six three times ten to the minus four" ?
I guess they must find some easy way ..
"Четыре целых пятьсот шестьдесят три тысячных на десять в минус четвёртой". There is no easy way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
That's how I usually say it (0.0004563):Quote:
Originally Posted by waxwing
ноль, запятая (it's comma in russian decimal numbers), три ноля, четыре, пять, шесть, три, всего семь знаков после запятой.
But in some official or just important presentations I would say:
Ноль целых четыре тысячи пятьсот шестьдесят три десятимилионных (having it written before :lol: )
One more formal way rather friquently used.Quote:
Originally Posted by al
Anybody who often deals with long fractions in any language that I know of ends up pronouncing the digits separately. It may be considered informal by the purists, but it is a de-facto standard among those who actually talk about numbers. The same is often true of the integer part when it gets out of hand.
One Russian feature is partitioning the long number into triples, which are easily pronounced as standalone numbers thanks to the compactness of "сто" and its derivatives.
So: 1375.677567 = тысяча ("тыща") триста семьдесят ("семисят") пять - запятая/точка - шестьсот ("шесот") семьдесят ("семисят") семь - пятьсот ("пе(и)цот") шестьдесят ("шесят") семь. The words in parentheses are the reduced numerals, the way they're pronounced in rapid speech.