Please, correct my mistakes...
The bank is entitled to request a Customer to confirm an order or other documents issued to the Bank including that the documents had in fact been issued and undersigned by a person indicated in such documens and also his authority to undersign them. The bank is not entitled to accept such customer’s orders or other documents and (or) perform any actions upon them until a satisfactory answer from a customer’s authorized person is received. A customer provides the Bank with a list of persons whom the Bank is entitled to refer to in order to confirm customer’s orders received by the Bank and who are entitled to confirm such orders in a form of a letter composed in a form given in Appendix 12. By a general rule, such a list has to be undersigned by a person indicated in a card containing signature specimens of persons authorized by a customer (hereafter reffered as the card) and also certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any); such a list can be undersigned by another person only in case a customer had provided the Bank with a list of persons authorized to undersign such lists and such list itself had been undersigned by a person indicated in the customer card being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any). The Bank is entitled to request the signature and due authority of a person undersigning any customer’s document presented to the Bank to be authenticated by a person who is listed in the customer card being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and not to accept the document in the absence of such an authentication.
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Originally Posted by Ramil
The bank is entitled to request a Customer to confirm an order or other documents issued to the Bank including that the documents had in fact been issued and undersigned by a person indicated in such documents and also his authority to undersign them. The bank is not entitled to accept such customer’s orders or other documents and (or) perform any actions upon them until a satisfactory answer from a customer’s authorized person is received. A customer provides the Bank with a list of persons whom the Bank is entitled to refer to in order to confirm customer’s orders received by the Bank and who are entitled to confirm such orders in a form of a letter composed in a form given in Appendix 12. By a general rule, such a list has to be undersigned by a person indicated in a card containing signature specimens of persons authorized by a customer (hereafter referred as the card) and also certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any); such a list can be undersigned by another person only in case a customer had provided the Bank with a list of persons authorized to undersign such lists and such list itself had been undersigned by a person indicated in the customer card being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any). The Bank is entitled to request the signature and due authority of a person undersigning any customer’s document presented to the Bank to be authenticated by a person who is listed in the customer card being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and not to accept the document in the absence of such an authentication.
Re: Please, correct my mistakes...
Are you guys kidding?!?? This text reads like a legal headache! I am sure we can do something to shorten the sentences and make it more friendly, no?
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Originally Posted by Ramil
The bank is entitled to request a customer (if customer is with a capital C, then it should be "the Customer") to confirm an order or other documents issued to the Bank, including that the documents has in fact been issued and signed by the person indicated in the documents and also his authority to sign them. The bank(make up your mind, Bank or bank?) is not entitled to accept any[?] customer_ orders or other documents and (or) perform any actions upon them until a satisfactory answer has been received from a person authourized by the customer (reworded). A[The?] customer provides the Bank with a list of persons whom the Bank is entitled to refer to in order to confirm the customer’s orders received by the Bank(if I had my way, I would delete "orders received by the Bank". Superfluous) and who are entitled to confirm such orders in a form of a letter composed with the form given in Appendix 12. By _ general rule, such a list has to be signed by a person indicated in a card containing signature specimens of persons authorized by a[/the] customer (hereafter reffered as the card) and also certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any); such a list can be signed by another person only in the case that a[/the] customer has provided the Bank with a list of persons authorized to sign such lists and the list itself has been signed by a person indicated in the customer card, being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any). The Bank is entitled to request the signature and due authority of a person signing any customer’s document presented to the Bank to be authenticated by a person who is listed in the customer card being at the Bank’s disposal at the moment and not to accept the document in the absence of such an authentication.
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Re: Please, correct my mistakes...
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Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Are you guys kidding?!?? This text reads like a legal headache! I am sure we can do something to shorten the sentences and make it more friendly, no?
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Originally Posted by Ramil
The bank is entitled to request a customer (if customer is with a capital C, then it should be "the Customer") to confirm an order or other documents issued to the Bank, including that the documents has in fact been issued and signed by the person indicated in the documents and also his authority to sign them. The bank(make up your mind, Bank or bank?) is not entitled to accept any[?] customer_ orders or other documents and (or) perform any actions upon them until a satisfactory answer has been received from a person authourized by the customer (reworded). A[The?] customer provides the Bank with a list of persons whom the Bank is entitled to refer to in order to confirm the customer’s orders received by the Bank(if I had my way, I would delete "orders received by the Bank". Superfluous) and who are entitled to confirm such orders in a form of a letter composed with the form given in Appendix 12. By _ general rule, such a list has to be signed by a person indicated in a card containing signature specimens of persons authorized by a[/the] customer (hereafter reffered as the card) and also certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any); such a list can be signed by another person only in the case that a[/the] customer has provided the Bank with a list of persons authorized to sign such lists and the list itself has been signed by a person indicated in the customer card, being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any). The Bank is entitled to request the signature and due authority of a person signing any customer’s document presented to the Bank to be authenticated by a person who is listed in the customer card being at the Bank’s disposal at the moment and not to accept the document in the absence of such an authentication.
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Wow. It's a sea of blood! :o :lol:
Re: Please, correct my mistakes...
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Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Are you guys kidding?!?? This text reads like a legal headache! I am sure we can do something to shorten the sentences and make it more friendly, no?
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Originally Posted by Ramil
The bank is entitled to request a customer (if customer is with a capital C, then it should be "the Customer") to confirm an order or other documents issued to the Bank, including that the documents has in fact been issued and signed by the person indicated in the documents and also his authority to sign them. The bank(make up your mind, Bank or bank?) is not entitled to accept any[?] customer_ orders or other documents and (or) perform any actions upon them until a satisfactory answer has been received from a person authorized by the customer (reworded). A[The?] customer provides the Bank with a list of persons whom the Bank is entitled to refer to in order to confirm the customer’s orders received by the Bank(if I had my way, I would delete "orders received by the Bank". Superfluous) and who are entitled to confirm such orders in a form of a letter composed with the form given in Appendix 12. By _ general rule, such a list has to be signed by a person indicated in a card containing signature specimens of persons authorized by a[/the] customer (hereafter referred as the card) and also certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any); such a list can be signed by another person only in the case that a[/the] customer has provided the Bank with a list of persons authorized to sign such lists and the list itself has been signed by a person indicated in the customer card, being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any). The Bank is entitled to request the signature and due authority of a person signing any customer’s document presented to the Bank to be authenticated by a person who is listed in the customer card being at the Bank’s disposal at the moment and not to accept the document in the absence of such an authentication.
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Correcting KV: see in blue:-). There are 2 corrections, but only one came out in blue (I have tried twice). The other correction, still in red, was "authorized," not authourized.
Like I said, I was not sure about the specifics of legal documents, but I have seen some that were similar to Ramil's translation. I wish we could see the original: there is a danger in making too many changes, re-phrasing, and omitting... can lose the original meaning...
Re: Please, correct my mistakes...
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Originally Posted by charlestonian
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Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Are you guys kidding?!?? This text reads like a legal headache! I am sure we can do something to shorten the sentences and make it more friendly, no?
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Originally Posted by Ramil
The bank is entitled to request a customer (if customer is with a capital C, then it should be "the Customer") to confirm an order or other documents issued to the Bank, including that the documents has in fact been issued and signed by the person indicated in the documents and also his authority to sign them. The bank(make up your mind, Bank or bank?) is not entitled to accept any[?] customer_ orders or other documents and (or) perform any actions upon them until a satisfactory answer has been received from a person authorized by the customer (reworded). A[The?] customer provides the Bank with a list of persons whom the Bank is entitled to refer to in order to confirm the customer’s orders received by the Bank(if I had my way, I would delete "orders received by the Bank". Superfluous) and who are entitled to confirm such orders in a form of a letter composed with the form given in Appendix 12. By _ general rule, such a list has to be signed by a person indicated in a card containing signature specimens of persons authorized by a[/the] customer (hereafter referred as the card) and also certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any); such a list can be signed by another person only in the case that a[/the] customer has provided the Bank with a list of persons authorized to sign such lists and the list itself has been signed by a person indicated in the customer card, being at Bank’s disposal at the moment and certified by a seal indicated in such a card (if any). The Bank is entitled to request the signature and due authority of a person signing any customer’s document presented to the Bank to be authenticated by a person who is listed in the customer card being at the Bank’s disposal at the moment and not to accept the document in the absence of such an authentication.
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Correcting KV: see in blue:-). There are 2 corrections, but only one came out in blue (I have tried twice). The other correction, still in red, was "authorized," not authourized.
Like I said, I was not sure about the specifics of legal documents, but I have seen some that were similar to Ramil's translation. I wish we could see the original: there is a danger in making too many changes, re-phrasing, and omitting... can lose the original meaning...
Charlestonian is correct.
KV, there are reasons why legal documents are written in a certain way. Legal documents are not meant to be "user friendly" or easily readable, and this is a legal document. It must read and be written in a way that is acceptable among the courts and legal authorities.
This is similar to you trying to operate on yourself... but you're not a surgeon. Understand?
Or me trying to tell a Civil Engineer, "No, you can't build the bridge that way... it's wrong!"
Please, let's not confuse Ramil, and cause him to worry. The translation is due tomorrow. From a legal view, the translation is good.
KV, I'm not 'coming down' on you. No worry.
Re: Please, correct my mistakes...
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Originally Posted by Dobry
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Originally Posted by charlestonian
Like I said, I was not sure about the specifics of legal documents, but I have seen some that were similar to Ramil's translation. I wish we could see the original: there is a danger in making too many changes, re-phrasing, and omitting... can lose the original meaning...
Charlestonian is correct.
KV, there are reasons why legal documents are written in a certain way. Legal documents are not meant to be "user friendly" or easily readable, and this is a legal document. It must read and be written in a way that is acceptable among the courts and legal authorities.
This is similar to you trying to operate on yourself... but you're not a surgeon. Understand?
Or me trying to tell a Civil Engineer, "No, you can't build the bridge that way... it's wrong!"
Please, let's not confuse Ramil, and cause him to worry. The translation is due tomorrow. From a legal view, the translation is good.
KV, I'm not 'coming down' on you. No worry.
I disagree entirely! :) First, the corrections I made weren't related to the style of the document, so you guys claiming it "looked good" when there were missing articles left and right is misleading. I don't like "undersign", do you? Maybe I am wrong there, but it looks soo much better with "sign" :)
Second, this is a translation, so there is some freedom. I wish we had the original to compare, what is Russian for "undersign" anyway? подписать?
I guess it really depends on the goal of the translation. But I would recommend looking at the changes Charlesontian and I made and making a judgment yourself, Ramilsky!
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Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
Second, this is a translation, so there is some freedom. I wish we had the original to compare, what is Russian for "undersign" anyway? подписать?
I guess it really depends on the goal of the translation. But I would recommend looking at the changes Charlesontian and I made and making a judgment yourself, Ramilsky!
Of course there's freedom! :wink:
Please chill KV. I liked Charlestonian's changes and I agreed with them.
First... Legal English is very different, with different style (as you wrote) and different grammar rules than standard English.
"Undersigned" is legal language... there is certain language that is used for legal documents, and this is a legal document.
I completely understand your point, but please realize that there is a reason people use attorneys/lawyers/solicitors to write legal documents, including your Will and Testament for example.
I prefer "easy to read" legal documents, but these are not always suitable to protect businesses, including banks. Legal documents are designed to protect and secure agreements, with universal understanding between various Courts. Much different from standard English.
Again, remember, you're debating with a lawyer now, who has a lot of experience in these types of documents, a lot of U.S. and international contracts experience, and we're working with Legal English now... not standard English.
