Thread: often

Как это слово обычно произносится? "ОФН" или "ОФТЕН" ?

зависит от кого слышишь! Так и так можно!

нас учили, что t не произносится.

вас учили американский английский или английский английский?

Я уже задавала когда-то этот вопрос.
Как мне объяснили, можно и так, и этак, и это - не различие не амер. и брит. английского, т.к. как оба варианта можно услышать как в Британии, и в США.

Если кто-то объяснит подробнее, то будет здорово, я сама до сих пор не очень понимаю, откуда берется эта разница в произношении.

Originally Posted by Ramil

нас учили, что t не произносится.

Нас тоже учили, что нужно говорить "офн" (kalinka_vinni, как и во всех (пост-)советских школах, нам преподавали британский вариант англ. языка).

Мне больше нравится вариант без [t], меня тоже так учили, и он первым в словарях стоит.)

Есть такая версия:

Американцы без сожаления избавляются от лишних букв, которые не произносятся. К примеру, humour (юмор) в их варианте будет без второй буквы "u", a programme - program... Англичане стараются не отставать, но делают все наоборот: начинают читать те буквы, которые раньше игнорировали. Так в слове often (часто) они уже произносят букву "t". Американцы же в этом случае сделали бы наоборот - стали бы писать не often, a ofen.

http://www.english.language.ru/curious/gold/gold5.html

оба варианта можно услышать как в Британии, и в США.

Только в разговорной речи, или стиль не имеет значения?

Both ways are correct.

I think the 'correct' British English pronunciation is with a silent T, although I think pronouncing the T is more common here nowadays.

Yes, I believe I read somewhere that originally "offen" was the correct pronunciation but the our later dictionaries have been amended to allow for the illiterate.

Originally Posted by DDT

Yes, I believe I read somewhere that originally "offen" was the correct pronunciation but the our later dictionaries have been amended to allow for the illiterate.

That's the exact, correct answer.

In America and the UK both, "often" is pronounced with a silent "t". This is the correct and traditional pronunciation. However, so many people everywhere in the English speaking world pronounce the "t" that it has become permissable.

One funny thing about "often" is from "The Pirates of Penzance": One person asks another, "Did you mean often [pron: o'fan] "frequently", or orphan [pron: o'fan] "someone who has lost his parents"?

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

One funny thing about "often" is from "The Pirates of Penzance": One person asks another, "Did you mean often [pron: o'fan] "frequently", or orphan [pron: o'fan] "someone who has lost his parents"?

Hm, these words are pronounced differently. It might be weird to confuse.

I wonder do people forget about silent t in "listen"? Or my supposition is out of place?

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

One funny thing about "often" is from "The Pirates of Penzance": One person asks another, "Did you mean often [pron: o'fan] "frequently", or orphan [pron: o'fan] "someone who has lost his parents"?

Hm, these words are pronounced differently. It might be weird to confuse.

I wonder do people forget about silent t in "listen"? Or my supposition is out of place?

Most English speakers pronounce "orphan" and "often" differently, but in the accent they were using, the two words sounded identical. That's why it was funny I'll try to find a sound clip and post it.

Thankfully, nobody pronounces the "t" in "listen"...yet. It's still silent.

soften, listen, glisten, fasten, hasten, все без /t/. наверняка есть и другие.

Originally Posted by chaika

soften, listen, glisten, fasten, hasten, все без /t/. наверняка есть и другие.

Here is a sound clip that I made from a recording of The Pirates of Penzance. This shows the "orphan/often" thing I was talking about.
Enjoy!

http://download27.mediafire.com/tmn4...frequently.mp3

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

http://download27.mediafire.com/tmn4...frequently.mp3

I don't know why but i can't download this file

Originally Posted by Scrabus

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

http://download27.mediafire.com/tmn4...frequently.mp3

I don't know why but i can't download this file

If clicking doesn't work, just copy and paste the url. It should work.

Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot

If clicking doesn't work, just copy and paste the url. It should work.

Yes). Now it works .