This is a risk. You can, theoretically, be arrested for not having your actual papers on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by drew881
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This is a risk. You can, theoretically, be arrested for not having your actual papers on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by drew881
yeah but i would rather have that happen and present the documents later than be mugged by chance and lose my passport and visa.
Oh My God. JB, when the hell did i EVER say that i wanted to sneak into russia and go as long as possibe without getting a visa ? i KNOW that i need one, so stop telling me that i do. and, i know that a car is not that important, judging by the comicle nature of my last post, i think it would have been pretty obvious to spot that i was just joking. anyways... so how do the cops know your a tourist? i dont plan on walking around with a huge camera. i will probly just walk around and blend in with the crowd as much as possible. i don't want alot of attention on myself. infact, i bet i;m so good, once i leave the customs or whatever, and i am on my own on the street, i bet a cop wont stop me once. 8) anyways, thanks for the great info, and if you have anymore foto's keep posting them. they are very neat.
Dogboy, your last post was supposed to be funny?
I have no doubt the Russians won't figure out you're American. :D
Renting a flat - 1000 R for a month?! Can't believe it. Real prices are much higher - starting from $100 monthly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Of cause, not: you can go to embassy and prolongate your visa...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
If you don't plan to spend 80% of you visit in the moscow traffic jams, forget about car. Use public transport, especially metro. It's not only cheaper, but quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
arent you forgetting someone there Dogboy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
i dunno brandon? u still goin? :wink: anddd, only 100 dollers a month? in america they cost at least 800 a month for a decent one. 100 is great !... how do russians afford those ? i heard that if u make 200 rubles a month then you are cool. how do they afford that ?
200 rubles is less than 7 bucks dude. Ive heard the avg Russian makes 100 dollars a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Although the average income of Russia’s huge 150m population is only around $120 per month, official figures are deceptively low and many Russians have other undeclared sources of income.
quote from http://www.tradepartners.gov.uk/food/ru ... view.shtml
true....i remember seeing some recent stats, something like 30 percent of the total economy isnt legitimate.
And you have to remember also that stats covering the whole of Russia aren't really relevant when you're only talking about Moscow. It's like comparing London with the far north of Scotland, only more so.
Apparently Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live, comparable to New York or London. Here is an extremely useful link to find out more about travel to Russia.
Way To Russia
You might also want to pick up the latest "Lonely Planet" travel guides for the areas you plan to visit.
uhhh....why wouldnt i be going?
I bet you heard it loooong time ago :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
For these day, the (very relative) cooliness starts from 10000 R monthly.
About "how do they afford that" - well most russian don't need to rent a flat, because have own. Also note: we are discussing *Moscow* prices, which a way different from the most of the country.
you could probably rent a bed in a dirty roach swarming dormitory 30 min bus ride from the nearest metro station for 1000 roubles, apartment rents in Moscow start at $350 per month for a one room shaby aptmnt, the more real prices now are $400-$500, they've gone up since last year quite a bit, plus it's very dificult to contact a landlord/lady directly most of the apartment rent deals are done thru real estate agents which means that if an ad says $350 per month you'll end up having to cough up at least $1050 up front as a downpayment, the usual practice is you pay for two months in advance plus a month's rent to the real estate agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
cops will rip you off of everything, they belive all foreigners to be inexhaustible sources of cash, if you really get some wheels in Russia try to do it the legal way and should you get stopped by traffic police, insist that all things be done the legal way, you may spend a coule of days going thru red tape and end up paying a modest fine or or you may get cheated out of $1000 or more, but also you could play dummy and get the cop to conclude that messing around with you is not worth the trouble, anyways the best bet would be to get a car with diplomatic plates and a flashlight, then you could just ignore the cops
Well november was quite awhile ago, but she didn't say dollers or rubles, she just said 200. so since she lived in russia i assumed it was rubles. anyways so for a 2 months stay, how much money should you expect to bring ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio
Matt... are you staying two months?
No, it's definitely bucks because bucks are the Russian second currency.Quote:
she just said 200. so since she lived in russia i assumed it was rubles.
Анекдот:
Русский приезжает из Америки и говорит приятелю:
- Слушай, у них, в этой Америке, доллары совсем как наши баксы!
i want to stay in moscow for about a month, and then go up to petersburg, and maybe vyborg for 2 weeks, so probly a month and a half. man i better start saving !
:o This trip sounds like it is going to cost a few thousand dollars.
I thought the idea of traveling around was to do just that. If I go some where, I usually don't put a whole lot of planing into it. You just go where ever you want.
You want to go to vybourg? Is that because of the camera?
Doyboy, you are really easily influenced.
haha...matt we can find the camera... ah that would be so fun
Go and stand in front of the camera and then ring us up so we can look at you waving at us.
well, i wanted to see a small town too, because not all of russia is just highrise apartments, but since vyborg is the only small town i have ever heard of in russia, and it reletivly close to st.petersburg, why not?
easily influenced... :lol: i started learning russian didn't i.
about 700Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
I was in Vyborg several years ago. Nice town, especially old fortress. There you can visit a museum of frontier guards and old sells where the prisoners in 18 century were under arrest.
yay !! Veedey !!! Where have you been mate????Quote:
Originally Posted by Veedey
Hi,
I spent a couple of weeks in Moscow in Dec. 2001. You could get apts. over the internet for $50 a day back then, don't know if it's changed. I spent $70 if I remember rightly and it was very nice; beautiful location on the Garden Ring, very secure with all mod cons etc etc.
If you're not a newbie tourist you can get nice apts. for 300-500/month no doubt, and even lower if you're happy to be living at the end of the metro line.
Moscow has an expensive, expat/New Russian 'scene' for restaurants and clubs etc. and if you're not careful you can easily spend alot. Equally, you don't need to.
Bottom line is that, like so many other 'exotic' locations, you *will* spend too much as a first timer. That's just the way it works.
As to visas, I got the tourist invitation from one of several perfectly good agencies over the web which sell it fairly cheap, and then got the <1month tourist visa via some company in London.
The trick is that they give some meaningless info to the bureaucrats, and then when you get to Moscow you pop into their office in the first week and get it stamped/registered whatever. It's a doddle.
It's really not hard, just do a search on the Web. For longer stays you could consider the multiple-entry business visas (6 months/12 month) but the latter could set you back up to 200 $ (take my advice on this with a pinch of salt, since I haven't done it; do the research).
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