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    Beginning to compose my own sentences

    Can I use this forum to begin practice on composing my own sentences in Russian? I have a comprehensive dictionary and a textbook that I refer to and would like to practice writing letters or email... - - Kevin

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    Can I use this forum to begin practice on composing my own sentences in Russian?
    Конечно можете. Мы с удовольствием поможем вам с русским языком.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene-p View Post
    Конечно можете. Мы с удовольствием поможем вам с русским языком.

    Спасибо Eugene…много вещи учиться хотя этот прекрасный

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgcole View Post
    Спасибо Eugene…много вещи учиться хотя этот прекрасный
    The most important thing is that I've managed to understand you. Grats on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by egalor View Post
    The most important thing is that I've managed to understand you. Grats on that
    Hopefully I'm making progress in becoming more understandable. Thanks for the encouragement.

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    kgcole, please, accompany your sentences with their equivalents in English, this will help us understand you better and if we see a mistake, we won't have to guess what it was supposed to mean, we can correct you right away in order to help you put your thoughts across in Russian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene-p View Post
    kgcole, please, accompany your sentences with their equivalents in English, this will help us understand you better and if we see a mistake, we won't have to guess what it was supposed to mean, we can correct you right away in order to help you put your thoughts across in Russian.

    Sure thing Eugene. Here's what I was trying to say:

    "Thanks Eugene...lots of things to learn, though that's excellent (fine)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgcole View Post
    "Thanks Eugene...lots of things to learn, though that's excellent (fine)."
    Один из вариантов.
    "Спасибо, Евгений. Мне нужно многое выучить, но все равно это замечательно."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer View Post
    Один из вариантов.
    "Спасибо, Евгений. Мне нужно многое выучить, но все равно это замечательно."
    You're right, "выучить" is the right word. But what if I consider learning as an unfinished process? Wouldn't I need the imperfective "учить"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgcole View Post
    You're right, "выучить" is the right word. But what if I consider learning as an unfinished process? Wouldn't I need the imperfective "учить"?
    выучить still works in the context
    Because you trying to выучить many(some) things not ALL things, so even if you learn those many things you still have a long way to go until you done learning
    учить however implies to the process and does not guarantee results, so it would sound that your goal is to try to learn some things but you don't care if you learn them or not

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    мне нужно многому научиться.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene-p View Post
    мне нужно многому научиться.
    многому=dative case (дательный падеж)?

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    yes, it is. научиться needs dative. or an infinitive. Научиться делать что-либо or научиться рисованию / чтению / пению....
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    That makes sense. I was wondering, Eugene, do you have any tips on how I can know the gendre of a noun that ends in "ь"? Do I just have to memorize which words are which?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgcole View Post
    That makes sense. I was wondering, Eugene, do you have any tips on how I can know the gendre of a noun that ends in "ь"?
    Sure -- if the genitive singular ends in , then the noun is feminine, but if the genitive singular ends in , then the noun is masculine!

    Which is, of course, just another way of saying that when you learn a new Russian noun, it's a good practice to memorize the nominative singular AND the genitive singular at the same time. (For the majority of nouns, knowing these two forms will allow you to correctly determine the gender and to logically deduce all the other forms. Of course, there are exceptions -- some nouns have irregular patterns in the plural, so memorizing only the singular forms won't help you there.)

    In the same way, when you learn a new Russian verb, memorizing the infinitive isn't enough. At minimum, you should learn the infinitive, the 1st-person sg., and the 2nd-person sg., -- most of the time, you'll be able to work out all the other forms given these three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throbert McGee View Post
    Sure -- if the genitive singular ends in , then the noun is feminine, but if the genitive singular ends in , then the noun is masculine!
    That's a good way of looking at it, Throbert. Of course, that's if the sentence is already written. I'm thinking more along the lines of how to know just by the nominative case itself with words ending in -ь. Somebody wrote once that words ending in -ность tend to be feminine, so that's a big help and narrows the field somewhat. But then there are words like жизнь...you basically just have to know it's feminine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgcole View Post
    That makes sense. I was wondering, Eugene, do you have any tips on how I can know the gendre of a noun that ends in "ь"? Do I just have to memorize which words are which?
    Some Russian consonants (ш, ж, ч, щ, ц) do not form hard/soft pairs.
    If a noun has one of such consonants before the final ‘ь’ (i. e. it ends in -шь, -жь, -чь, or -щь), then it definitely is feminine.
    That's because of a (strange) spelling rule. According to it the letter ‘ь’ must be placed after these consonants (except ц) only if the noun is feminine (this ‘ь’ doesn't affect the pronunciation).

    For example:

    мышь — feminine (pronounced [mɨʂ])
    шиш — masculine (pronounced [ʂɨʂ])

    ложь — feminine (pronounced [ɫoʂ])
    нож — masculine (pronounced [noʂ])

    печь — feminine (pronounced [pʲeʨ])
    меч — masculine (pronounced [mʲeʨ])

    вещь — feminine (pronounced [vʲeɕː])
    клещ — masculine (pronounced [klʲeɕː])
    Please correct my English

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soft sign View Post
    Some Russian consonants (ш, ж, ч, щ, ц) do not form hard/soft pairs.
    If a noun has one of such consonants before the final ‘ь’ (i. e. it ends in -шь, -жь, -чь, or -щь), then it definitely is feminine.
    That's because of a (strange) spelling rule. According to it the letter ‘ь’ must be placed after these consonants (except ц) only if the noun is feminine (this ‘ь’ doesn't affect the pronunciation).
    That's good information to know, and helps a lot. Thanks

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    feminine (ночь, моль, соль, качель, виолончель, грязь, боль, роль...)
    masculine (карась, язь, рояль, король)

    well, basically it's very random, I think you just have to memorize all this weird stuff.
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    Eugene- I was afraid you'd say that! LOL

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