help i need to learn russian

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July 11th, 2003, 06:58 AM
Ramihg

help i need to learn russian

Hi
i started learning russian today and i dont know where to start . i know know how to read and write the alphabet and know some simple words:
dog
yes
no
hi
good morning

so what do i do..i dont know any sites or any books i got an english-russian/russian-english dictionary but that didnt help either so please recommend anything (sites, books, etc..) and if u have a program please send it to me by email gipath@hotmail.com and add me to ur msn list if u can so we can chat please.and how long did it take the people who are not native to russia ukraine etc... to know the russian language and can read russian teen books.
so i wish i can have some help from the people who know
July 11th, 2003, 11:23 AM
mike

Re: help i need to learn russian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramihg

Hi
i started learning russian today and i dont know where to start . i know know how to read and write the alphabet and know some simple words:
dog
yes
no
hi
good morning

so what do i do..i dont know any sites or any books i got an english-russian/russian-english dictionary but that didnt help either so please recommend anything (sites, books, etc..) and if u have a program please send it to me by email gipath@hotmail.com and add me to ur msn list if u can so we can chat please.and how long did it take the people who are not native to russia ukraine etc... to know the russian language and can read russian teen books.
so i wish i can have some help from the people who know

There are many sites linked to on www.masterrussian.com that will be helpful to you.

http://masterrussian.com/index-2.shtml
http://www.learningrussian.com/
http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/RWT/welcome.html
http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/rus ... index.html
July 11th, 2003, 01:24 PM
Dogboy182

Well, you have to know and understand about 2000-2500 words to be able to read simple things, like songs and some storys. and that takes about 9 months to a year. i have been working for 8 months, and i'm practically there. everyonce in awhile i see a word i dont know. but now i'm really trying to master grammar, and learn words like "chlorofil" and "indiginous" :lol: well not really, but you understand. but, be warned, the most frsterating thing i think u will run into is the changing words. for example. "грусть" - this word means sad. but you will see things like "лечит от грустного", or "я грустный" this will probly piss you off extremly at first, like it did to me, but as long as you can regognizethe root word, your doing good. also, nouns can be turned into adjectives descirbing other nouns, which gets a little crazy, for example весна - spring новая весна - new spring. but, if you want to say "Spring wind" it is "весиний ветер" the noun "spring" becomes the adjective "spring". so, as you can see it is best to try to learn grammar as soon as possible. but, as long as you know alot of words, at first, it's not a big deal at all.
July 11th, 2003, 01:28 PM
Dogboy182

*note* all those example i gave were probly spelled wrong, so disregard them
July 11th, 2003, 06:28 PM
Pravit

Hello, welcome,
For the first few months of your study I would recommend that you get a good Russian textbook and work from that, asking questions on here if you have any problems. Just go to the bookstore and get a fairly thick book that says something like "Russian Course" or "Beginner's Russian", you know, something like that. Try to get one with a cassete or CD if you don't mind paying extra. Just make sure you avoid any phrasebook type affairs (under all circumstances do NOT, do NOT get "Learn Russian(or any other language) the Fast and Fun Way.")

You asked how long it took a non-Russian speaker to read Russian teen books. I just finished my first Russian book (YEAH!!!), written for teens or youth, anyhow I have been studying Russian for about 3 years independently. However you have to note I wasn't actually studying every night for those 3 years...a lot of times I would be bored and not study for months, and when I was in a studying mood, it was only every other night for about half an hour. It also depends on if this is your first foriegn language. Russian was my first, so it took me a while longer than it would now. But, I do notice that if you put whatever you're learning down for a while, then come back, you seem to do it better. I couldn't understand jack shit of the BBC Russian broadcasts I was listening to, so I quit for a while, then I came back and I could actually understand them almost word for word! It's like guitar, too, I seemed to get better after quitting for a while. Maybe you brain needs time to process learned information.
July 12th, 2003, 12:43 AM
Leon S. Kenedy

Don't worry about the hard and soft signs at the moment or you will probably turn out like me. Got pissed and didn't study for three months.
July 12th, 2003, 06:39 AM
Ramihg

I MADE GOOD PROFRESS HERES WHAT I DID
1-i went to the library and got learn russian audio cd
2-i heard and learned the from the first cd..its actually good.it gives u time to pronounce the words..it tells u to say the word "part-by-part".it really helped me
3-The problem was how will i spell them correctly?
4-I downloaded the translator to write the words in english-to-russian and the russian translation was exactly the same words i learned but know i know how to spell em 2!
5-I got an empty textbook and wrote the new words i knew 5 times each
heres an example of what i learned (I AM NOT LOOKING AT THE WRITTEN STUFF.THIS IS FROM MY MEMEMORY SO I MIGHT MAKE MISTAKES)
please tell me the mistakes i made
доброе утро
я немнодо понемаю парусски
вы понемете пангисск?
херашо
пока!
WAS I GOOD HAHA DID I MAKE MISTAKES YEA YEA?
OH YEA OH YEA COMON OH YEA
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO
July 12th, 2003, 05:09 PM
Dogboy182

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramihg

я немнодо понемаю парусски
вы понемете пангисск?
херашо

я немного понимаю по-русский
вы понимаете по-английский ? (i suggest using ты понимаешь)
хорошо

Although, the online translators are not that great. you should really know what you are doing first, cuz they can mess you up, and they are usually only good with 1 or 2 word translations, they wont help you at all even with some of the most simple sentences... so best to just ask somone. i only use the translator for translating words i find on the internet from russian to english, never english to russian, just, ask somone.
July 14th, 2003, 08:00 AM
JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

Well, you have to know and understand about 2000-2500 words to be able to read simple things, like songs and some storys. and that takes about 9 months to a year.

No man, IMHO you are wrong. You have to know less than 1000 roots of the words but if you know how prepositions, suffixes and endings change the word meaning your vocabulary will grow up in 3-4 times ...and that takes about 9 months to a year. :)
July 14th, 2003, 12:19 PM
mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramihg

I MADE GOOD PROFRESS HERES WHAT I DID
1-i went to the library and got learn russian audio cd
2-i heard and learned the from the first cd..its actually good.it gives u time to pronounce the words..it tells u to say the word "part-by-part".it really helped me
3-The problem was how will i spell them correctly?
4-I downloaded the translator to write the words in english-to-russian and the russian translation was exactly the same words i learned but know i know how to spell em 2!
5-I got an empty textbook and wrote the new words i knew 5 times each
heres an example of what i learned (I AM NOT LOOKING AT THE WRITTEN STUFF.THIS IS FROM MY MEMEMORY SO I MIGHT MAKE MISTAKES)
please tell me the mistakes i made
доброе утро
я немнодо понемаю парусски
вы понемете пангисск?
херашо
пока!
WAS I GOOD HAHA DID I MAKE MISTAKES YEA YEA?
OH YEA OH YEA COMON OH YEA
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

The Russian audio cd you got should have come with a booklet. This is why you do not know how to write them. I think it's going to be extremely hard for you to pick up on the prepositions at first without a booklet. In something like Ты хочешь пойти в театр в девять часов? the в is so soft that you might miss it completely if you aren't expecting it(although in a sentence like this, the first one should be easier to hear than the second one since it will melt into the vowel ending of пойти).
July 14th, 2003, 11:41 PM
Dogboy182

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

Well, you have to know and understand about 2000-2500 words to be able to read simple things, like songs and some storys. and that takes about 9 months to a year.

No man, IMHO you are wrong. You have to know less than 1000 roots of the words but if you know how prepositions, suffixes and endings change the word meaning your vocabulary will grow up in 3-4 times ...and that takes about 9 months to a year. :)

well, what do u know, i am always wrong . что новый
July 15th, 2003, 04:06 AM
drew881

что нового :D
July 15th, 2003, 07:25 AM
Dogboy182

why the genitive ?
July 15th, 2003, 05:34 PM
drew881

not sure, thats what i learned in my conversation class.
July 15th, 2003, 07:26 PM
Dogboy182

oh, well i'm not going to doubt you. but, thats a little hard to say, also, people have came up to me ask said "хей, что новый"? ... i was just basing it on прошлый опыт :wink:
July 15th, 2003, 07:31 PM
Dogboy182

Yea, i Confermed it... you're right

Водил гвоздь в мозг :x
July 16th, 2003, 04:25 AM
z80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

well, what do u know, i am always wrong . что новый

He's finally learning!!!

Try the penguin russian course (Thats what the books called).

So far it seams good, but I'm only up to chapter 4.
July 18th, 2003, 06:44 PM
mike

Rami: Try this if you have a decent connection to the Internet

http://www.princeton.edu/russian/First-Year_Russian/[/url]