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Ok...speaking of negativity. I was listening to TATU...and I noticed that they say both He or Het in their song. What's the difference, I hear Het at the end of the sentence and He in the other two parts of a sentence. Is Het just used when at the end of a sentence instead of He? If that didn't make sense then look at this:
Pisayoo nyet
nyeh pisayoo
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Can you say Pisayoo nyeh, or does "Het" only get used as a negative part of a sentence when at the end of a sentence?
Не is used to negate a verb. It needs to preceed the verb.
Я пишу. - I'm writing
Я не пишу. - I'm not writing
Я ем. - I'm eating.
Я не ем. - I'm not eating.
Нет means no. It is used in cases where you aren't negating a verb
меня нет дома. - I'm not home. :P
Which songs have you heard it in, yo?
It was from Ya soshla s uma.
Do you know what you said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Orpheus
nyeh pisayoo - не писаю - I don't piss/I am not pissing
I don't write/I am not writing - Я не пишу.
нет - the answer word, opposite of yes. Нет, не знаю;
there is no, isn't any. (there is) no money - денег нет.
не - don't, not. Не делай, неплохой.
In colloqual Russian "не" could mean "no" as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darobat
- Водку будешь?
- Не, не буду. (=нет, не буду)
Now you're confusing me. I've always used не for "not", and нет for "no". Logical, simple, and easy to use and hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by net surfer
But now, Surfer, you're saying they're used interchangeably (and grammatically correct?), in informal Russian?? I haven't noticed this as a non-native.
Yes, не-а and не (often with that sound resembling the German Knacklaut in the end of the "е" in both cases, think Hawai'i) are quite often used, especially by children, instead of "нет". Sometimes it's even something like 'ы'а, first vowel high-pitched and the second low-pitched, both preceded with those glottal attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobry
But using "нет" instead of them is quite all right.
Understood. Spasibo. Reminds me how colloquial American English uses "naw", "nope", "yea", "yep"...I wonder if those ever confuse anyone learning English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doldonius
I will try to explain again to make it clearer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobry
I think when you learn a language, you should concentrate on what is grammatically correct. You wouldn't teach naw, nope to an English learner, would you? Нет and не are used grammatically quite differently. The use of не instead of нет is grammatically incorrect but people still say it but never write this way.
Не is used negate a verb, a noun, adjective, adverb, anything. It's positioned in front of the word it negates. With adjectives and adverbs is written together.
не понимаю; нехорошо; не тот, а этот; некрасивый
Нет is 1) the opposite of Да;
Ты придёшь? Нет.
Colloquial: не-а, не.
2) the opposite of есть
Есть время, есть деньги, есть вопросы, есть проблемы
Нет времени, нет денег, нет вопросов, нет проблем.
In this meaning some people say "нету", considered illiterate.
Yes, Anatoli, and I understand.
The difference is between "street" (informally spoken) Russian...and grammatically correct Russian. Same as "street" English, which often is not grammatically correct.
But the fear I have...I do not want to sit at the kitchen table, sharing discussions with Russian friends, and sound as an idiot. So, this is my confusion...whether to use grammatically correct form...or colloquial form, when speaking with friends.
Spasibo.
Dobry, stick to gramatical correct Russian for now. Then, when you dive into Russian speaking environment, you will pick up such things easily. I had the same expierence with English.
Anyhow, I think that Russian "street lango is closer to correct Russian then street English (not mentioning Ebonix) to correct English. IMHO.
Pioner,
O.K., I will stay with correct Russian for now. :D
Spasibo.
Why not if it's a real spoken language, the way people talk?Quote:
Originally Posted by Анатолий
Two good friends are talking about this and that, then one takes a couple cans of beer out of his bag:
- Я тут новый Tuborg купил попробовать, будешь?
- 1) Нет, мне сегодня на машине надо ещё ехать (sounds not very friendly)
2) Не, мне сегодня на машине надо ещё ехать (sounds more friendly)
Maybe it's only me, I don't know.
EDIT: I know, it depends on inflexion as well, but anyway.
Excellent point.Quote:
Originally Posted by net surfer
Guess that "нет" may sound like a stronger refusal ("No way! Over my dead body!") than those "childish" reducted forms ("But moooom, I wanna play some more!").
But then again, a lot depends upon the intonation here. You can make "нет" sound as mild and friendly as you wish. Just keep your intonation from falling too sharply, and your "нет" will be perfectly all right at the kitchen table.
[quote=net surfer]Why not if it's a real spoken language, the way people talk?Quote:
Originally Posted by "Анатолий":2hyc4d5p
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Анатолий is correct. As an English teacher I would not introduce colloquial English until the student has good command of grammatically correct English, say intermediate+.
Otherwise, it will just confuse a student, and mess them up in business or university when trying to write or speak formally.
[quote=net surfer]Why not if it's a real spoken language, the way people talk?Quote:
Originally Posted by "Анатолий":1h5jtofq
Two good friends are talking about this and that, then one takes a couple cans of beer out of his bag:
- Я тут новый Tuborg купил попробовать, будешь?
- 1) Нет, мне сегодня на машине надо ещё ехать (sounds not very friendly)
2) Не, мне сегодня на машине надо ещё ехать (sounds more friendly)
Maybe it's only me, I don't know.
EDIT: I know, it depends on inflexion as well, but anyway.[/quote:1h5jtofq]
I know what you mean.
Spoken or broken language, dialects and slang have their role in softening your speech. If you speak slightly different from norm, you are down-to-earth. In Australia, they say, "G'day mate" instead of hello or hi (with 'ay' sounding more like "ie" - G'die mite) and you are accepted as down-to-earth fella', a "mate". So, if you say "yep" and "nope" - it may sound friendlier than yes and no. I suggest to stick to Да, not Угу or Ага and Нет, not Не or Не-а while learning to avoid confusion. Slang and and all deviations should be learned last when you know what's correct.
Your intonation adn manners will do the trick of softening your speech.