I am still trying to get started on learning Russian, and I can't figure out how to write the Russian letters on paper. Is there a website or something out there(other than a person) that can show me how to handwrite Russian?
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I am still trying to get started on learning Russian, and I can't figure out how to write the Russian letters on paper. Is there a website or something out there(other than a person) that can show me how to handwrite Russian?
http://masterrussian.com/blalphabet.shtml - Not so useful, since it doesn't show how to join the letters.
http://www.lang.ourfamily.com/propisi/home.html - This might help also.
Oh, those are "прописи" (handwriting excersise books) for children. They must be really helpful. I remember I had the best handwriting in the class because it looked exactly as in the "пропись".
I often wondered if the best way to learn a language would simply be to start playing around with the material that they use in school and to watch cheburashka and other kids shows.....
I didn't know you had to join the letters together when you write them. :o Our teacher just told us to write them close together. Maybe she just doesn't want to teach us that yet.
hand written Russian isnt really hard to learn, infact my russian (on paper) looks far neater than my english, possibily due to the rules of joing letters up and such. i think you should have words with your teacher :wink:
Usually all Russians join letters together. I do it too but sometimes I do not join them in cases when it is not very comfortable. My opinion is that you should join them as you consider more comfortable. There are no strong rules about it. But writing Russian letters apart is not a good idea.
i think the worst word to join up would be пиши, i wrote it and frankly it looked like a series of wavey lines :?
he, yes you are right. But I think it is not a big problem.
It's not necessary to join them, but it is certainly faster to write joined letters than one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
Wow those are some interesting drawings they want me to draw in the handwriting exercise books, i guess that is to get used to making the right shapes.
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I usually put a line over т and a line under ш when I write. It's easier to read it that way. Many people do that, too. That way the word пиши would look more like a word than a bunch of wavy lines. =)
But I wouldn't put letters apart if I were you. Try doing that in a russian school, and you're gonna get killed by your teacher. I never saw anyone do it. Not like in english. =)
we never got to draw rockets and trucks and other cool stuff in our writing classes.
A little off topic but in algebra do Russians use x and y or do they use something else?
Since he asked, let me extend the question: what about function symbols, such as "sin", "cos", "lim", etc.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahul
Yes, Russians use Latin alphabet in mathematics. So, this means "x" and "y" for variables. Also "sin", "cos" for "синус" and "косинус", and so on.
The mathematical notation is rather international thing. So, in Russia it's the mostly the same as in the rest of the world. There's some minor difference I can recall now: the symbols for tangent and cotangent are "tg" and "ctg". And the typesetting rules for formulas differ slightly (is this *really* interesting for someone? :D If so, I can consult LaTeX manuals for details).
(And don't forget, what the number names like "billion", "trillion" and so on mean different things in the anglo-saxon countries and in the rest of the world!)
To me it is. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio
I write it just as it comes up on the computer... which is probably a bad thing in many ways but it's the easy way out
lol, I'm so cheap
I write Russian just as it is printed in books.
I HATE cursive in English, and I don't know why Russians would insist on using it... but the emphasis in school doesn't really reflect reality.
Like in 4th grade our teachers would only accept homework written in cursive letters, so we do have the same emphasis in traditional schools to use cursive letters here in America instead of printing, but everyone gives up on that crap later on.
Cursive in Russian and English is just so much harder to read, when its handwritten (specially with some people's handwriting).
Agh! Can you imagine Arabic handwriting!? :o
You learn cursive because it is faster to write than printing.
arabic handwriting isn't that hard to read because it looks more or less like the way it's printed(it's printed as if it's in "cursive", that is all the letters are joined together).
russian handwriting was kind of hard for me to read. A ukrainian friend sent me letters and i had the same problems with lots of wavy lines everywhere. It didn't help that the little cusp you make before you write м, л, я, etc. was as tall as the и and ш in her handwriting :D
Is putting lines under ш and м a common thing in russian handwriting?
I hope so! It is the only way I can separate ш from щ and м from т.
I have noticed that some people use the little lines, some people don't, and most people do it part of the time and inconsistently.
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Originally Posted by Rahul
We use it. In general we use latin and greek alphabets in algebra.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekalin
x - "Iks", y - "Igrek", sin - "sInus", cos - "cOsinus", lim - "predEl" or "limIt".
X and Y aren't Latin anyway, I thought. Didn't the Arabs invent algebra and the corresponding symbols (which just happen to look like X and Y)?
no... X is a greek letter... would it be alright still to print... i mean people would still understand it right?
i always print russian, i don't want to learn cursive, yet. and i am always understood.
Writing Russian in cursive(скорописный) is the correct form for personal letters or notes. Only children (in Russia) print and only while they are learning to write. My friends and professors allways tell stories of the countless hours they labored over penmanship in school. Russians take pride in their hand writing skills and are always complementary when they see well written russian in cursive.
i guess i can expect alot fo kncuckle sandwiches then, because i have the worst handwriting in the world.
you should definately learn cursive asap. I have never even used the Russian print system, well one day actually. My teacher taught us cursive the first day when we learned the alphabet. So we had both at the same time. Its definately a lot easier to write.
X and Y to represent unknowns are a relatively recent invention. Until a couple of centuries ago, algebra was basically written out (like "take a number, add 2 to it and multiply by 3" to mean 3*(x+2)). So it cannot be an arabic invention. But you made me wonder where did the use of x and y came from...Quote:
Originally Posted by mike
The word algebra itself is Arabic, however it seems that one form or another was around since the times of ancient Egypt and Babylon (both of whom I am not sure count as Arabs or not, despite their modern descendants being so). To quote from algebra.com's History of Algebra: "An important development in algebra in the 16th century was the introduction of symbols for the unknown and for algebraic powers and operations." This does not seem to support your claim that symbols are only two centuries old, as it looks more like five. Unless by "couple" you weren't being literal.
Exactly. You should know better than me that "a couple of something" means "a few something", and generally not "two of this something". :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by mike
Cursive is invented for fast writing... English had it not long ago. I tried to write that way in school in 1860... :) But wait a copule of decades, and everyone will forget handwriting, including Russians :lol: