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Вопрос:

Are Slavs white? Do they consider them selves white?

Do Slavs see themselves as white or Slavic? Like Poles and Russians. Because Hitler hated them and considered them less than human. I know they're skin is white of course, but so are Jews but people call em Jews not whites.

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"Slav" as a word is born of a nordic word for "slave". During a period of Scandinavian people's expansion, they invaded southward into Europe and enslaved the native tribes as "slavs". The name stuck. A viking tribe known as the Rus was likely behind the formation of the Russian state, though Russians themselves insist there was already a nation-state of the slavs. The slavic tribes appear to have originated in western asia and moved eastward. By all appearances they are a sparsely pigmented eurasian people, aka "whites" or "caucasians". As for Hitler, he simply exploited a sense of nationalism mixed with racism to pump up a perception of a superior German race. It was an easy sell, given that the Germans had been humiliated in defeat in WWI and could cling to such a thing as a way of restoring pride. The two-pronged propaganda approach involved both glorifying a German race and lambasting neighboring peoples like Poles and Slavs as well as "impure" elements within, such as Jews and Gypsies. Once that started it was a slippery slope to genocide and conquest.

Вкратце: слово "Славянин" произошло от скандинавского слова "раб". Во время периода скандинавской экспансии, они захватили южные племена и называли их рабами ("slav"). Слово прижилось. Одно из таких государств викингов называлось Русь.

Scientifically, there is no such thing as "white" race. There are only three races, Mongolian, Caucasian, and Negro, or combinations thereof. Skin pigmentation is not determinative of race, e.g., many Indian, "Indians" are darker than many Negros, but most are scientifically considered Caucasian, and possibly some mixed with Mongolian. A lof of this race stuff is nonsense, made up to make people feel good, e.g., there is no such thing as a Hispanic race (they are all races, most in the U.S. considered Caucasian). So, Slavs are considered Caucasian, but they are etnic groups, and subsets of ethnic groups.

Вкратце: нет такой вещи, как "белая раса". Есть кавказоиды, и славяне - такие же кавказоиды, хотя их кожа и не белая, как и индусы.

Slavs are not white, in the sense that they're the same race as Western Europeans. Slavs share the same ethnicity with other Eastern Europeans like Lithuanians or Latvians, even though they speak a Slavic language.

I am not saying ethnic Slavs are inferior or superior to white people. but there is a difference, that''s undeniable.

Вкратце: Славяне - не белые, то есть, они не относятся к той же расе, что и западные европейцы. Славяне относятся к тому же народу, что другие восточные европейцы, как литовцы и латыши, хотя и говорят на другом языке.

Although Slavs did end up defining themselves as an ethnicity, they originally were "Slaves" to Scandinavians who migrated south. The term was also used during the 1600's, to describe peasants (a lot of whom happened to be Slavic) working off a Noble's land. They had to pay taxes to farm on the Noble's land. Later, these Slavs blended with other social classes, and defined themselves as an ethnicity. All in all, they probably consider themselves to be white, as many Eastern Europeans do.

Вкратце: Хотя славяне в конце стали считать себя народом, изначально они были рабами скандинавов, которые переселились на юг. То же слово использовалось в 1600-х для обозначения крепостных крестьян, впоследствии они слились с другими социальными классами и стали считать себя народом. Они, вероятно, считают себя белыми.

Originally Posted by Anixx

"Slav" as a word is born of a nordic word for "slave". During a period of Scandinavian people's expansion, they invaded southward into Europe and enslaved the native tribes as "slavs".
Вкратце: слово "Славянин" произошло от скандинавского слова "раб".

I think this would come as a surprise to most linguists and lexicographers -- who seem to overwhelmingly agree that "slave" came from the Slavic self-designation "Slav", not the other way around. And it came by way of Latin, not any of the Scandinavian languages. (The ancient Romans conquered one of the Slavic tribes and Latinized the tribe's native Slavic name as sclavus, which later became a generic term for "slave" and lost the hard "c" sound, becoming slavus. If you can find any dictionary citations that disagree with this uncontroversial point, feel free to share.)

Scientifically, there is no such thing as "white" race. There are only three races, Mongolian, Caucasian, and Negro, or combinations thereof.
Slavs are not white, in the sense that they're the same race as Western Europeans.

If there's no such thing as a "white" race, then shouldn't you have written "Both Slavs and Western Europeans are non-white"? But at the same time, if there are only three races, then aren't Slavs and Western Europeans both in the same category ("Caucasoid")?

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

If there's no such thing as a "white" race, then shouldn't you have written "Both Slavs and Western Europeans are non-white"? But at the same time, if there are only three races, then aren't Slavs and Western Europeans both in the same category ("Caucasoid")?

These are several answers from the linked question. You can follow the link and see yourself. It seems nobody even suggested that "Slavs" could be the historical self-name of the people.

... It seems nobody even suggested that "Slavs" could be the historical self-name of the people.

This is what I had thought, that was self-name, related to
слава.