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Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY
Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 2 ( Optimizing )
Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 3 ( Short Form )
Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 4 ( OCR / Optimizing ) (моя любимая часть)
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I don't know whether Obama was born in the US or not, but either way, he is clearly an American now, so what's the big problem, other than some outdated law? Lots of countries have presidents that happened to be born somewhere else, for whatever reason.
I don't like Obama much either though, but this seems like a silly detail to be concerned about.
At first I thought the guy in the video seemed very amateurish, but when he got to the bit about the layers and the colouring, he clearly has some good points. I like using Photoshop, it's quite similar to Illustrator.
Probably they were just touching it up the birth certificate, not faking it.
If it really is faked, then; what a sloppy and poor job!
I am sure there are 13 year old kids that could have done a more convincing job.
What a bizarre thing!
Выложили бы однослойный gif или png, и никто бы ничего не заметил . =)
upd: Интересно, если бы Путин подделал свои документы, тему тоже перенесли бы из Политики в Шутки?
@Hanna: I think you've hit the nail on the head. The people motivated to foment rumors about his birth certificate are, in general, tied to groups who lost considerable political power when Obama took presidency. In addition to that, there are several more groups who lost the battle to usurp some of that power, during the election. Now their agendas target slandering Obama, for two reasons - one: to hamper political moves made by him and his people during his time in office, and two: to discourage support for Obama when reelection comes around, which is not too long away at this point.
As an added point, when he was first made president, I had some very interesting conversations with people at my work, from the Republican way of thinking of things - and when he was first elected they were saying things about him that were as wild and nonsensical as the explanations cavemen might've had for seeing airplanes.. That he was directly linked to all sorts of terrorist organizations, that his parents did this and that wrong, and so on... I'm just glad to see the severity of these accusations dying down.
Anyway, I know there are reasons why people look at citizenship and birth certificates; but the idea that you need to be born on state soil to be a good president is a little bit silly, anyway (in my opinion). It's a bit like the whole 'royal blood' thing from the Renaissance world. The idea people are looking for is loyalty, right? Maybe we should come up with a new way to measure loyalty. (They could do it like the LA Crips, and 'jump' him in.) =))))
@BappaPa - Друг, это то, что они ХОТЯТ, чтобы вы верили. =)
LOLWUT?Quote:
Race of Father: African
Race of Mother: Caucassian
Кавказец - это по ихнему наш европеоид. ЕвропеоидQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
I'm not about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
Did they use politically correct terms in 1961? Shouldn't there be:
Race of Father: Negroid.
The problem is he is NOT an American, he's a traitor. It's about continued and persistent deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
I guess there's a problem with brainwashing by the EU Elites. :|
Pavelov, with respect, I vehemently disagree. Deception is an earmark of all things political, but as a citizen, I personally feel Obama's citizenship, given that this person was voted into office by the popular and electoral colleges, is a moot point, and serves as a distractor from more important issues.
Namely, the fact that the giant Bush hornswaggle is now a closed and complete loop. Not like it's new info, but I couldn't find this being talked about by anyone on the net except Bill Hicks. Check this out. YouTube - Bill Hicks - Iraq Weapons Conversion An odd thing to post, I know, but he mentions in this comedy routine the actions that daddy Bush took to arm Kuwait and Iraq, only so that later he and his son respectively, could go battle these now 'dangerous' countries.
Why is this important? Because on the eve of a highly-likely-to-be-a-falsified-black-ops announcement - the death of Bin Laden - we can now observe a re-focusing in the media on this citizenry issue; and, frankly, it is in my opinion an obvious distractor, a flare, a chaff, meatn to distract the eyes from what is more important in our field of vision. I heard it said, that it was like America's government had been cheating on its people, like a man might cheat on a woman, ever since Bush blew down the towers in 2001 - and what's going on now is analagous to that same cheating individual, swearing that the other woman is now a thing of the past - but refusing to throw away her phone number. (i.e., refusing to show the "body")
And: Traitor is a strong word, one I would fain reserve for the likes of Benedict Arnold; whle I can respect how that opinion was formed, I feel that it is an overstatement that has snowballed to said level of severity through repetition in the media, and particularly among those same political parties, i.e. the Tea-Partiers and the like, who are dead-set on hog-tying any effort that the presidency makes while in office. The choice of the word "traitor" is the same choice of words these politicos make; and I would use the word 'traitor' to refer to Anna Chapman, before I would use it to refer to Obama.
These things being said, I respect your opinion, Pavelov. But my own opinion is no result of -washing, and I doubt I qualify as an elite in anyone's book. =)
с уважением -
Ah, I see. Well, I prefer to stay away from that discussion as it was hotly debated some time back with all kind of expert opinions from both sides and eventually it ended up with nothing, so I guess it's not really interesting anymore. The "Obama: Antichrist or Precursor" topic seems much more fruitful in that respect. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Nonsense and hate-provoking are not welcome here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelov
Жаль, я бы послушал твою версию. =) Этот сертификат подвесили на сайт совсем недавно, 27 апреля. Мне абсолютно наплевать может ли Хуссейнович быть американским президентом или не может, мне интересен сам факт подделки.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
Честно говоря, у меня нет никакой версии. Чего не знаю, того не знаю. :) Мне кажется, что намного важнее заниматься более приоритетными вопросами. В прошлый раз при аналогичном копании под президента началась нехилая война. Оно нам надо? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BappaBa
Интересно, случайно ли Бин Ладена "замочили" именно сейчас?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
What nonsense? Obama made promises to get out of Iraq war and 'be different' but is taking same line as Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
He is a liar. He is a puppet in a network of deceivers and the U.S. is headed downwards with eventually collapse of American dollar... they all know this and the only recourse is war and inventing 'enemies' and lies in order to distratct American public and pretend they try to improve the economy. This is the definition of being a traitor. What exactly can you counter with this as being nonsense. Please be sensible and explain what is wrong with saying this, please? I am providing the truth.
Your post was amusing since it should be as in the fun stuff section.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkboom
No, seriously, I disagree with you and although it was amusing you call Anna Chapman, a Russian spy, a bigger traitor than a U.S. President, I will let it go.
I believe your Government 'leader' is to serve the public but not their own interests and especially not complicit in such unethical deception and blatant harm and dare I say murder of his own citizens for political and financial gain. Although, I suggest he's a puppet for a much more sinister organization or group of people. But, the mod here will say I am hating on someone but just some research and common sense will suggest this is certainly true.
If the public can try to suspend their blind support for once and look at the facts plus the likelihood that these politicians are the cold-hearted, ruthless people that they are, maybe they might start to realize they are not the nice people they wish they were. Oh well.
Мне представляется, что его относительно недавно начали искать, ну а долго держать такую инфу (о том, что нашли) в секрете рискованно, вдруг куда-нибудь викиликнет? Поэтому, думаю, что это скорее совпадение.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Can't possibly take you seriously now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkboom
Try RT
Pavelov, I will strive to address your concern respectfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelov
"Traitor" is a word which defines a specific crime in America, that of "treason." It is the highest charge in our court systems, as far as I know; and it is also NOT congruent with the action definition you provided above.
Now, to address the definition of "nonsense," I will enumerate these concepts, undefined in their present state, which require not only definition but requisite evidence in order to be considered in the sense you are proposing.
#1. Obama "promises to get out of Iraq war" : This is a hot-button topic for American citizens through both presidencies. Many officials from many different walks have stated that the problem is not merely that the President hasn't pushed the 'extract' button; but rather that there are conditions of military, economic, social and political forces that prevent extraction timetables from being adhered to; as this is as much an issue of the heads of the military as it is the commander-in-chief, I find a call to "traitorship" based on this to be as pithy as the Tea-Party statements about citizenship.
#2. "he is taking the same line as Bush" : Unless unbeknownst to me Obama is a board member on an arms company as large as Haliburton, or has blood ties in his lineage back to the Queen of England (or, for that matter, shares a close personal relationship with the Rockefeller bloodline and collectively helped to plan and mastermind the fall of the towers in 2001), he is NOT taking the same line as Bush; and stacked against this, without evidence to sway one towards your way of thinking, I find a claim of "traitorship" based on this to be as pithy as above stated.
#3. "He is a puppet in a network of deceivers" : I'll give this one a grain of salt. How is he controlled? Who controls him? Where are the puppet-strings? Give us a bit of the evidence you used to reach this conclusion. Surely you had some evidence beyond the extraterrestrial to reach this end.. What organization "runs things behind the curtains"? I'm as game to believe this as the next guy, but I'll need SOME sort of evidence before I throw my card in the ring with this one.
#4. LOGICAL FALLACY::: If the country is controlled by a 'network of deceivers' (presumably relatively intelligent, considering their ability to fool the entire world and run one of the world's superpowers without being seen, like SMERSH), why would that presumably above-average-intelligence group of people send "the US headed downwards"? Is there some reason why really good drivers seem to be crashing the proverbial car??
#5. "they all know this" : who?
#6. "the only recourse is war and inventing 'enemies' and lies in order to distratct American public and pretend they try to improve the economy.." Let me be sure I understand: A group of people take over a world superpower, completely hidden in so doing, and take that superpower into war with other superpowers, weakening their acquisition in the process, so they can then "invent" even more enemies, all for the purpose of distracting an already clueless public, so they can pretend to try to improve the economy...... while doing what? Building a doomsday device? Trying to blow up the moon? The motivation behind the characters you paint does not make sense. All of the Bond villains, David Icke Lizard-men and Devil-Come-to-Bring-About-Armageddon explanations aside, *I would love* to know why any group of people would do all this.
#7. "I am providing the truth." No sir. Respectfully, I must say that you are providing opinion.
I would be glad to discuss fact and truth, with evidence and citation. But the first two without the second two are indeed Fiction.
#8. "He is a liar." I'm pretty sure you're right about this one. But so far, I'm not sure I feel betrayed by this as much as duly served. It's hard to find a political leader that doesn't tell a lie. Cue the old joke about George Washington and his cherry tree.
Look, I respect your opinion, though I've done an awful lot of research to get mine. I won't try to tell you I'm right or you wrong on this. I know ad-nauseam that for every two people who had a cousin like mine running through the dust-cloud that there are two-hundred thousand who got their info from Fox News. And one answer is way, way, WAY safer than the other. ..... And this argument just expired, anyway - they just 'killed' the guy who 'did it,' remember? Buried at sea - along with any hope of un-writing false histories. So, the gopher sees his shadow, and Houghton-Mifflin will be printing that "Osama" did it for the next 2000 years.... Honestly, sometimes I think it's the better bet to just keep my research and opinions to myself. Sorry if I've offended you. No harm intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
But your switch between taking me seriously and taking me less-than-seriously happened pretty quick.
((Мое единственное намерение было так: поделиться своими мыслями по этим темам. Я не намерен никому оскорбление или что-нибудь, и я не намерен вреда кому-либо или что-нибудь. Я надеюсь, что я поступил с уважением. Спасибо всем вам за предоставленную мне возможность выступить в этом сообществе.))
Pav, I'm all ears. Tell me about the sinister organization. I've come across several of these types of theories in my research. Most don't pan out. I'm interested to hear your theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavelov
As for Anna Chapman, you don't have to "let it go." Tell me why Anna Chapman is less of a traitor to the American people than Obama. (Heads up: If they're not citizens, they're BOTH not citizens; if Obama is and she's not - well, that would make Obama a citizen... and if they're BOTH not citizens, how does one rack up more "traitorship" than the other when neither is owed an allegiance to America through citizenship?? A quandary..)
"I believe your Government 'leader' is to serve the public but not their own interests and especially not complicit in such unethical deception and blatant harm and dare I say murder of his own citizens for political and financial gain."
I agree with you in this one thing; what you describe is not the job of the leadership. But I think we disagree, in that you think that Obama's guilty of these things, and I would need to see some sort of evidence to that fact, or remain unswayed.
As an aside, the Mods here are good people, and if we remain civil and do our best to support what we say with fact or evidence, it's my experience that they're helpful and supportive of debate. (To a point.. I do tend to ramble:-P)
The fact that Obama has spent up to 2 million dollars in legal fees to prevent people from digging into his past combined with the recent forged birth certificate he released, that Hawaii said didn't exist, is enough for a serious investigation. Obama has already been caught using other people's social security numbers AND there exists a Kenyan Obama birth certificate that is just as valid as the one he just released. There isn't an investigation only because he is protected by oligarchs. Obama, is a prime candidate to be shot or imprisoned for his crimes. He will never be brought to justice because every law that he has signed will be invalided if the courts rules him illegally in the presidency and it will be too much of a mess to straighten out. Personally, I hope he chokes on his own tongue tonight!
Well! I like your Voltaire quote; couldn't be more apropos to this topic. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Cold
And I kind of agree with you in that it would be good to investigate this issue, if only to put it to bed.
Of course you realize that there are many people like me, who have an at-least-somewhat open mind. And if information like this was cited, we would publish it and spread the word, and it would change public opinion. I'd want to see it, and scrutinize it; I've known people who spent money like that on legal fees for matters far smaller than international documentation forgery... As for the birth certificate, many people have argued this point on both sides.. I've heard enough conflicting information to make disambiguation nearly impossible. One fact conflicts with another; one document authority claims to supersede another.. One person shows corruption in the documenting system, and another claims corruption of those reporting the first..
How shall I know what to believe?
Also, you have said that "Obama is a prime candidate to be shot or imprisoned for his crimes." I'm trying to understand your point of view. Are you giving a vote of "no faith" in the US legal system, and saying that because of the system's failure, Obama should be shot as punishment for having said, and thought, that he was a citizen? And do you think that the resulting chaos of dealing with political disagreement in the way that alqaida does (assassination without trial) would be worth the trade for justice against this one man?
I have a couple questions, and this is less in the spirit of debate, and more out of honest curiosity - I want to understand your thinking on this. Are you a US citizen or do you reside in the US, or neither? And if it is the latter, then I'd really like to know what about this issue incenses you so.
I have a friend here in the US who is always very vehement in her opinion against Obama. She is a Republican, voted for Bush, and has told me many long stories about the inadequacies of Obama, missteps and such. However, upon her own admission, the reason her blood boils so about this man is that her own son is in the US military, and subject (or was until recently) to the orders the military is given, which she felt ultimately came from Obama. So, when US troops did something that effected her son, she grew more upset about Obama.
Everyone is their own person, and I respect your right to your opinion. But if it were me, it would take a grievous injury to drive me to wish that another person choked to death on the meat of their own tongue in their sleep. That seems a bit excessive - but hey, who am I to say?
My deep Respect to You all ---