Целомудрие

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March 2nd, 2006, 12:47 AM
Бармалей

Целомудрие

Can some on tell me why the word "целомудрие" sounds like "теломудрие" (or are my ears just failing me?)? I hear no "s," like I do in the word "царь."
March 2nd, 2006, 01:36 AM
Lampada

Нет.

http://vysotsky.russian.ru/songs/m3u.php?play=67035

Невидимка

Сижу ли я, пишу ли я, пью кофе или чай,
Приходит ли знакомая блондинка, —
Я чувствую, что на меня глядит соглядатай,
Но только не простой, а невидимка.

Иногда срываюсь с места,
Будто тронутый, я:
До сих пор моя невеста
Мной не тронутая!

Про погоду мы с невестой
Ночью диспуты ведём,
Ну а что другое если —
Мы стесняемся при нём.

Обидно мне,
Досадно мне...
Ну ладно!

Однажды выпиваю — да и кто сейчас не пьёт! —
Нейдёт она: как рюмка — так в отрыжку.
Я чувствую: сидит, подлец, и выпитому счёт
Ведёт в свою невидимую книжку.

Иногда срываюсь с места,
Будто тронутый, я:
До сих пор моя невеста
Мной не тронутая!

Про погоду мы с невестой
Ночью диспуты ведём,
Ну а что другое если —
Мы стесняемся при нём.

Обидно мне,
Досадно мне...
Ну ладно!

Я дёргался, я нервничал, на выдумки пошёл:
Вот лягу спать и подымаю храп; ну,
Коньяк открытый ставлю и закусочку на стол:
Вот сядет он — тут я его и хапну!

Побледнев, срываюсь с места,
Как напудренный, я:
До сих пор моя невеста
Целомудренная!

Про погоду мы с невестой
Ночью диспуты ведём,
Ну а что другое если —
Мы стесняемся при нём.

Обидно мне,
Досадно мне...
Ну ладно!

К тому ж он мне вредит. Да вот, не дале как вчера —
Поймаю, так убью его на месте! —
Сижу, а мой партнёр подряд играет "мизера",
А у меня "гора" — три тыщи двести!

Побледнев, срываюсь с места,
Будто тронутый, я:
До сих пор моя невеста
Мной не тронутая!

Про погоду мы с невестой
Ночью диспуты ведём,
Ну а что другое если —
Мы стесняемся при нём.

Обидно мне,
Досадно мне...
Ну ладно!

А вот он мне недавно на работу написал
Чудовищно тупую анонимку.
Начальник прочитал, мне показал, а я узнал
По почерку родную невидимку.

Оказалась невидимкой —
Нет, не тронутый я —
Эта самая блондинка,
Мной не тронутая!

Эта самая блондинка...
У меня весь лоб горит!
Я спросил: "Зачем ты, Нинка?" —
"Чтоб женился," — говорит.

Обидно мне,
Досадно мне...
Ну ладно!
March 2nd, 2006, 07:26 AM
TATY

Probably just a mispronounciation.
March 2nd, 2006, 08:27 AM
net surfer

Re: Целомудрие

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barmaley

Can some on tell me why the word "целомудрие" sounds like "теломудрие"

In fact it doesn't.
March 2nd, 2006, 08:42 AM
BlackMage

They're not that different. Think about saying "phone" and "foam", for example. They sound noticably different, but the difference isn't huge.
March 2nd, 2006, 08:55 AM
net surfer

Well I think it's easier to try to hear the difference than to expalin it, when I get home I'll make a recording (if I dont forget).
March 2nd, 2006, 09:05 AM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

Well I think it's easier to try to hear the difference than to expalin it, when I get home I'll make a recording (if I dont forget).

That's not the best anaology.

The key here is the palatisation. A soft T can sound a bit like a Ts. In fact foreign Russian learners often wrongly pronounce soft T with a slight S sound after it.

Ць and Tь I have noticed can be quite easily confused by non-Russians, although there is an obvous difference between them.
March 2nd, 2006, 04:17 PM
Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Ць and Tь I have noticed can be quite easily confused by non-Russians, although there is an obvous difference between them.

Мне кажется, что в русском языке ц и ь никогда рядом не стоят. Кстати, для уха русскоязычного человека ць и ть звучат одинаково.
March 2nd, 2006, 05:26 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Ць and Tь I have noticed can be quite easily confused by non-Russians, although there is an obvous difference between them.

Мне кажется, что в русском языке ц и ь никогда рядом не стоят. Кстати, для уха русскоязычного человека ць и ть звучат одинаково.

Ц may be followed by a soft vowel. I used Ць to illustrate a palatised Ц.
March 2nd, 2006, 05:45 PM
Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Ц may be followed by a soft vowel. I used Ць to illustrate a palatised Ц.

Даже тогда ц будет звучать твёрдо.
March 2nd, 2006, 06:02 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Ц may be followed by a soft vowel. I used Ць to illustrate a palatised Ц.

Даже тогда ц будет звучать твёрдо.

I blame Ukrainian.
March 2nd, 2006, 06:06 PM
Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Ц may be followed by a soft vowel. I used Ць to illustrate a palatised Ц.

Даже тогда ц будет звучать твёрдо.

I blame Ukrainian.

Да, украиский звучит гораздо мягче русского. :D
March 2nd, 2006, 06:18 PM
net surfer

Here it is.
March 2nd, 2006, 06:38 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

Here it is.

Are you a native Russian.
March 2nd, 2006, 06:55 PM
Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

Here it is.

Are you a native Russian.

Good question! :lol:
March 2nd, 2006, 06:59 PM
net surfer

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

Here it is.

Are you a native Russian.

Err... You're not the first one who asks. Why?
March 2nd, 2006, 07:20 PM
net surfer

Another try
March 2nd, 2006, 07:34 PM
Lampada

[quote=net surfer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by "net surfer":1xprfu4d

Here it is.

Are you a native Russian.

Err... You're not the first one who asks. Why?[/quote:1xprfu4d]
Да это шутка была.
March 2nd, 2006, 08:24 PM
Бармалей

Thanks for your posts, especially the audio clips. Netsurfer's second recording was really helpful -- I think the clip that I heard, for whatever reason, just wasn't as pronounced as his...
March 3rd, 2006, 01:43 AM
TATY

[quote=net surfer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by "net surfer":c0l19eg0

Here it is.

Are you a native Russian.

Err... You're not the first one who asks. Why?[/quote:c0l19eg0]

Because if a native Russian posts it, we can trust that it's an accurate pronunciation.
March 3rd, 2006, 02:57 AM
Бармалей

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Because if a native Russian posts it, we can trust that it's an accurate pronunciation.

I think what he's getting at is why do you think he sounds non-native.
March 3rd, 2006, 04:52 AM
MikeM

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

Here it is.

What the heck is this? :) Is it recorded backwards?
March 3rd, 2006, 05:26 AM
BlackMage

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM

What the heck is this? :) Is it recorded backwards?

That's just the way net surfer talks. He just forgot to reverse it so we can understand his alien talk.
March 3rd, 2006, 05:28 AM
BlackMage

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Because if a native Russian posts it, we can trust that it's an accurate pronunciation.

Nativeness hardly implies accuracy. Think about hillbillies in southern US.
March 3rd, 2006, 08:16 AM
net surfer

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

TATY[/b]]Because if a native Russian posts it, we can trust that it's an accurate pronunciation.

I don't believe you still don't know if I'm a native Russian or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

Here it is.

What the heck is this? :) Is it recorded backwards?

It was normal at first but after TATY expressed his doubts I made another recording and reversed the first one :)

?klat neila ruo gnidnatsrednu pots uoy did nehw ecnis ,egaMkcalB
March 3rd, 2006, 08:21 AM
BlackMage

Quote:

Originally Posted by net surfer

?klat neila ruo gnidnatsrednu pots uoy did nehw ecnis ,egaMkcalB

!юаминоп онсаркерП
March 3rd, 2006, 07:18 PM
Rtyom

Ah, alien jokes, I see...