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March 12th, 2005, 10:32 PM
johnnydrum

как по вашему ?

Hiya everyone,how are you all...how cool is "Loras Dialogues" site for us numbskull learners.

как по вашему (kak po vash-ehm-oo)?..."what do you think?",then please what would the next phrase say,and how would I pronounce it....как по твоему??...am I correct in thinking both mean the same thing,like in England we would ask,"what do you think?" or "what would you reckon?"

Also,having learned that спросить,means to ask a person something,am I right in thinking that попросить means to ask for an object?

As usual,a thousand thank yous..
JD
March 12th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Pravit

You're right on, Johnnydrum! The only difference between по-вашему and по-твоему is formality level. And I used Lora's dialogs a couple years ago, they're certainly a great resource IMO!
March 12th, 2005, 11:34 PM
TATY

Re: как по вашему ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnydrum

Hiya everyone,how are you all...how cool is "Loras Dialogues" site for us numbskull learners.

как по вашему (kak po vash-ehm-oo)?..."what do you think?",then please what would the next phrase say,and how would I pronounce it....как по твоему??...am I correct in thinking both mean the same thing,like in England we would ask,"what do you think?" or "what would you reckon?"

Also,having learned that спросить,means to ask a person something,am I right in thinking that попросить means to ask for an object?

As usual,a thousand thank yous..
JD

Kak pa-tva-ye-moo

The answer would be: По-моему....
I think they are hyphenated. Как по-вашему / Как по-твоему.
March 13th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Milanya1

Re: как по вашему ?

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Originally Posted by johnnydrum

I right in thinking that попросить means to ask for an object?

JD

or for a favor
March 13th, 2005, 01:21 PM
TATY

Re: как по вашему ?

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Originally Posted by Milanya

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnydrum

I right in thinking that попросить means to ask for an object?

JD

or for a favor

or for a favour even.

So are спросить and попросить both perfective forms of просить?
March 13th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Lampada

Re: как по вашему ?

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Originally Posted by TATY

So are спросить and попросить both perfective forms of просить?

Да.
March 14th, 2005, 07:17 AM
scotcher

Different shades of meaning though:

просить/ попросить - to request/ ask (for smth)

спрашивать/ спросить - to inquire/ ask (a question)

(AFAIK)
March 14th, 2005, 02:47 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Different shades of meaning though:

просить/ попросить - to request/ ask (for smth)

спрашивать/ спросить - to inquire/ ask (a question)

(AFAIK)

просить/ попросить - Can this also mean to beg?
March 14th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Milanya1

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

просить/ попросить - Can this also mean to beg?

IMHO "to beg" is closer to "попрошайничать" or "просить подаяния"
March 14th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Lampada

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Originally Posted by Milanya

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

просить/ попросить - Can this also mean to beg?

IMHO "to beg" is closer to "попрошайничать" or "просить подаяния"

Ещё to beg - умолять
March 14th, 2005, 11:34 PM
kalinka_vinnie

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Originally Posted by Lampada

Ещё to beg - умолять

I thought that was closer to "to implore"
March 14th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Pravit

As in "I implore/beg you, do this."
March 14th, 2005, 11:48 PM
kalinka_vinnie

Yes, "implore" is a synomous with "beg", but умолять is directly translated to "implore" and not to "beg". Only difference being that "implore" is a specific shade of "beg"... just felt the necessity to point that out. :D
March 14th, 2005, 11:54 PM
Pravit

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but умолять is directly translated to "implore" and not to "beg".

Since when?
March 15th, 2005, 12:17 AM
kalinka_vinnie

Since my dictionary was released
March 15th, 2005, 12:20 AM
Pravit

Kalinkachen, Kalinkachen, dictionaries are not always right, and while I hate it when people say "there are no exact translations"(because there are, just not for every word), there are certainly not exact translations for everything. Dictionaries can only give us an approximate equivalent in our own language for many cases. My Lingvo, BTW, lists "beg" before "implore" in the entry for умолять.
March 15th, 2005, 12:38 AM
kalinka_vinnie

I know, I was only joking about the dictionary, Pravitchen!

The point was that there are so many words for "beg" that the more accurate definition of умолять is to implore, which means to ask or beg earnestly for... but if it scratches your back to think of it as plain "to beg", I implore you to keep thinking that!
March 15th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Pravit

So we're back to my original question: how is a more accurate definition "implore"?
March 15th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Lampada

Мне стыдно, но я должна признаться, что, хотя и встречала это слово, до сих пор не знала, что implore значит умолять. Также не знала, что supplicate и entreat это молить, просить. :oops:
Зато теперь знаю. :D

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Originally Posted by Pravit

So we're back to my original question: how is a more accurate definition "implore"?

Вот нагуглила:
http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb/I/W1747.htm
March 15th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Pravit

Imploring does not always involve a hand motion. As far as I'm concerned it's impossible to say that умолять has an exact, direct translation either implore or beg. It probably means something in between the two.
March 16th, 2005, 08:56 AM
Friendy

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Originally Posted by Lampada

Мне стыдно, но я должна признаться, что, хотя и встречала это слово, до сих пор не знала, что implore значит умолять. Также не знала, что supplicate и entreat это молить, просить.

Я тоже. :) :oops:
March 16th, 2005, 09:14 AM
TATY

I don't know what implore means, but that's cos I am stupid.
March 19th, 2005, 12:19 AM
chaika

Interestingly, everyone has glossed over the question of where the stress falls on по-моему and по-твоему.

It does not fall in the usual place, but on the o if my memory serves me, in both instances. I have no idea why. Maybe a native spkr can come up with smth.

умолять - even good ole Lingvo says: entreat, beg, implore; supplicate (for); beseech

Take your pick. Although "beseech" is a far stretch, takes me back to when I was a kid in the 17th century.... ah, the good ole days.
March 19th, 2005, 03:41 AM
Lampada

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaika

Interestingly, everyone has glossed over the question of where the stress falls on по-моему and по-твоему.

It does not fall in the usual place, but on the o if my memory serves me, in both instances. I have no idea why. Maybe a native spkr can come up with smth.
...

По-моему - in my opinion
по-твоему - in your opinion
March 30th, 2005, 02:19 PM
RUSKYMOMMA

may I ask what Lora's Dialogue is??
March 30th, 2005, 05:05 PM
Mordan

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Different shades of meaning though:

просить/ попросить - to request/ ask (for smth)

спрашивать/ спросить - to inquire/ ask (a question)

(AFAIK)

I thought that for asking question you could only use

задавать // задать

вопрос

+ Dative (to someone)
March 30th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Milanya1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordan

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Different shades of meaning though:

просить/ попросить - to request/ ask (for smth)

спрашивать/ спросить - to inquire/ ask (a question)

(AFAIK)

I thought that for asking question you could only use

задавать // задать

вопрос

+ Dative (to someone)

спрашивать/ спросить is also correct. Languages usually have several ways to express the same thought.
March 30th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Mordan

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Different shades of meaning though:

просить/ попросить - to request/ ask (for smth)

спрашивать/ спросить - to inquire/ ask (a question)

(AFAIK)

просить/ попросить - Can this also mean to beg?

What about this one?

я тебя очень прошу! = I'm begging you!

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