бумага: "ava" or "aga"

Printable View

February 14th, 2005, 10:58 PM
giarcmirt

бумага: "ava" or "aga"

бумага (boo-mava or boo-maga)?

Is there a general rule for
-ага, -ого
pronunciation? The few words I've come across with -ого, have an "ovo" sound. Would this hold true for all -ага, -ого endings?

Thanks,
Torrance S.
February 14th, 2005, 11:53 PM
MasterAdmin

Only words ending in -ого sound as if endig in -ово. But not all words follow this rule. This has been discussed here:

http://masterrussian.net/mforum/viewtop ... =%EE%E3%EE
http://masterrussian.net/mforum/viewtop ... =%EE%E3%EE
http://masterrussian.net/mforum/viewtop ... =%EE%E3%EE
http://masterrussian.net/mforum/viewtop ... =%EE%E3%EE
February 15th, 2005, 12:01 AM
giarcmirt

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterAdmin

Only words ending in -ого sound as if endig in -ово. But not all words follow this rule. This has been discussed here:...

Thank you for the references.

Regards,
Torrance
February 15th, 2005, 12:08 AM
Pravit

Hey, what about the old Russian ending -аго?
February 16th, 2005, 11:38 AM
VendingMachine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pravit

Hey, what about the old Russian ending -аго?

As in святаго духа? It's pronounced -ago, but nobody uses it. In fact, I wasn't aware of this form until I turned 30 something I suppose. It's not used any more.
February 16th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Pravit

You learn something new every day! Thanks, VM.

So if this is an archaic form of the genitive, when(and why) did they switch from pronouncing the "г" as "г" to "в"?
February 17th, 2005, 05:27 AM
VendingMachine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pravit

You learn something new every day! Thanks, VM.

So if this is an archaic form of the genitive, when(and why) did they switch from pronouncing the "г" as "г" to "в"?

So long ago that you needn't bother. Centuries ago. Why? Well, another dialect took over perhaps? BTW, in some parts of Russia they still pronounce -ogo as -ogo. But never -ago, it's absolete. You will only hear it in the context of prayers in Old Church Russian (or whatever they call the language they speak in our churches). Since I'm not religious, I didn't know this form existed until I accidently tuned in into some religious radio station.
February 17th, 2005, 07:23 AM
Dogboy182

Quote:

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

I accidently tuned in into some religious radio station.

I hate when that happens.
February 18th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Ljosha

Re: бумага: "ava" or "aga"

Quote:

Originally Posted by giarcmirt

бумага (boo-mava or boo-maga)?

Is there a general rule for
-ага, -ого
pronunciation? The few words I've come across with -ого, have an "ovo" sound. Would this hold true for all -ага, -ого endings?

Thanks,
Torrance S.

It's easy to remember. -ого (obsolete -аго), -его pronounced as -ово, -ево is the genetive case inflexion. This rule works only in the gen. case. Бумага is nominative, it's just such a word. "г" is part of the root there. As also in коряга, ватага, салага, etc.