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Originally Posted by net surfer
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Originally Posted by net surfer
Since everyone is already talking about names, I'm not gonna open a new topic to ask this.
What's the stress syllabe on the name Воронин?
Воронин
I DO HATE Popov!!! (Its my former teacher and he's a sod)
You mean it?
Maybe you want to say "sob"? Sod is a way different.
Sod is right, if you mean that he was an asshole (technically he is a sodomite)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuvak
That's a very interesting point. As a matter of fact, Brits seem to palatalize "L" more than Americans. I have noticed that on more than one occasion. I am talking averages here, of course, there may be (and probably are) a lot of exceptions to this rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Кароче, он был (и по видимому остался) настоящим пид*расом в прямом смысле этого слова!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rtyom
My (Ukrainian) Russian-teachers are always saying "no, a hard 'l'" when I say 'l's.
I personally find Russian hard L closer to English W, the tongue position feels almost identical and quite different from Russian soft L or English L.
The tongue position of Hard L and English W are completely different. The tongue isn't really used in W, it lies flat at the bottom of the mouth. With Hard L the tip of the tongue is up behind the top teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by laxxy
Remember, Soft L is just Hard L but palatised.
In my case at least, the hard and soft L, unlike the other Russian consonants, are definitely NOT a palatized and non-palatized version of each other, not even close -- in particular, the tip of my tongue is down, and is in fact located pretty much in the same place as when pronouncing W.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Well you are probably saying one of them wrong :PQuote:
Originally Posted by laxxy
could be of course -- I could never pronounce the Russian R, but so far I have never heard much complaints about my L, and I'm quite sure my W is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Well then maybe your interpretation of where your tongue is is wrong.
'Is is' - rarely do I see this one being repeated!Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
It would be better to say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rtyom
maybe your interpretation of your tongue's position is wrong, to avoid "is is".
I have just conducted an experiment -- I've put a thin strip of paper between my teeth, and when I am saying a word with a soft L lika "lyazhka" I feel the tip of my tongue touching it (since it moves up); on the other hand, when I am saying a word with a hard L like "lozhka" it is not touching the strip since it stays down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
When you say a hard L the tip of the tongue is definately UP. In Phonetics an L is described as dental or alveolar approximate. Dental means touching the teeth. Alveolar means the ridge behind the top teeth. In Russian it is Alveolar.Quote:
Originally Posted by laxxy
There is no way you can produce a hard L with your tongue "staying down".
well maybe once I get to a microphone I can record a sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY