й and ы
what is the "sound" difference, please. ie: pronunciation basic. и sounds like "ee", and ы sounds like "ih", but й sounds like "?" what does it sound like... helllllllp!"
й and ы
what is the "sound" difference, please. ie: pronunciation basic. и sounds like "ee", and ы sounds like "ih", but й sounds like "?" what does it sound like... helllllllp!"
It is Winter and Very Cold.
й is called "и краткое", which literally means "short и". and that's exactly what it is. Its just a shorter и. And ы is kinda like the "i" in ill, or dim. I cant really explain how to do it. It took me like a year to get it down fully. The only thing i can say is just listen to it alot. Then you will get it.
You can listen to the alphabet here...maybe it will help.
http://www.learningrussian.com/alphabet.mp3
Й sounds just like the Y in 'boy'
In fact, we have this Russian word meaning 'battle, combat, fight, fighting':
бой
The Б probably isn't as breathy as it is in English, but otherwise it's pronounced pretty much the same.
And then there's the word Йогурт. How do you think you say that??? =:^)
like j
Do listen to the sounds, it's the only way of getting it right...
I've heard people pronouncing english from description, it wasn't to good!
Листьев не обожгло, Веток не обломало
День промыт как стекло, только этого мало
Also try this program. Its called Alphabet letter-by-letter. It can help you master the alphabet. Download it here...
http://www.learningrussian.com/alphabetru.zip
If you wondering where i got it....
http://www.learningrussian.com/alphabet.htm
Oops. I got it from a rival site...hehe
Thanks Saibot, Zhenya, Chaika,
I will try all of those. Again. But... I may be back. Thank you for the additional download site too. I think it will be very helpful to listen in a variety of voices. Eventually, I hope the inflection comes out to my ears. Also, my cryillic does not even accent и like this. I'll keep at it. Very grumpy to be having a tough time with it.
Saibot's version of the letter being a shortened и is what I am going to stick to for understanding for now, as comparing the sound of i in dim and y in boy do not sound like the same thing to me at all.
Yogurt...Chaika
It is Winter and Very Cold.
OOH Yeah, THAT GOOD.Originally Posted by saibot
It is Winter and Very Cold.
Im glad it helped
Did everyone remember to load their clocks forward an hour?
It is Winter and Very Cold.
Yeah I did. It was like all over the news and tv. I kept being reminded.
I couldn't forget it.
Yeah, I hate that crap. Why can't we just stay on the time before this and stick to it? I liked it.Originally Posted by Rosa Anna
Because the pope died and we are changing the time in his honor
Hei, rett norsken min og du er død.
I am a notourriouse misspeller. Be easy on me.
Пожалуйста! Исправляйте мои глупые ошибки (но оставьте умные)!
Yo hablo español mejor que tú.
Trusnse kal'rt eturule sikay!!! ))
Where is all this news everyone keeps talking about? I missed it all.
We spring forward and fall back so the light of day makes sense?
It is Winter and Very Cold.
это конспирация....
I saw your comment in Tech Support and Site Comments, Rosa Anna.
Most of the time Й is used to modify other vowels so they make a different sound. You never see it alone. For example
бо - bo
бой - boi
ко - ko
кой - koi
You will also sometimes see it in the beginning of words, in which case you should just pronounce it as a "y."
It is hard to pronounce this letter alone for the same reason it is hard to pronounce "y" alone - sure you can say "why", but that's the name of the letter, not it's sound.
Pravit,
Yes, I saw your reply there. Clarity hit me earlier today that the wording after the letter might actually translate something to the effect of short...but I didn't check it out. Then, after the two of you commented back I altavista'd it. is now I hope an overly well fed man in a red suit brings you many many baubles. For the extra instructional though...sigh. That's it--very much (insert russian equivalent here ) спасибо!!!!!
Saibot! это конспирация.....
LMAO... yes it is.
I was having trouble with the U's today too. у\ю\ы
I took your listening advice, with inspiration from the download visual/audio, and added the three of them (now that и and и kractyeo is out of the way) to the real video playlist by themselves. Over and over and over and finally...the difference presents itself.
Rambling...
It is Winter and Very Cold.
I see what you mean, but ы isn't a u.Originally Posted by Rosa Anna
Ingenting kan stoppa mig
In Post-Soviet Russia internet porn downloads YOU!
the point is that ы goes with hard consonants while и goes with soft ones.
basicly. in hard consonants the back of the tongue goes down and in soft ones it goes up. as in pronouncing the vowel ee.
now if you try to pronounce a hard consonant and the vowel и together. you get ы. and you a bit like you've been hit in the belly.
for example try saing "бa" (hard, back of the tongue down) and then keep your mouth shaped the same and try to pronounce би what you get is бы.
большой спасибоOriginally Posted by Rosa Anna
-Fantom
ps- I see the й transliterated as j in some translators, but I've never seen my Russian friends use it... How is it transliterated most of the time? y? i?
"Alright, brain, I don't like you and you don't like me, so let's just figure this out and I'll get back to killing you with beer."
спасибо большоеOriginally Posted by fantom605
I like to transliterate it "i".
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