Thread: About Russian Dialects - once for all

Originally Posted by Wowik

Это из разряда ксерокс, паркер...

... "Unitas" ...

Originally Posted by Ramil

Можно сказать - объездил всю страну, каких только говоров не слышал, но так как в Питере говорят только в Питере.

И сицкарский?

У меня на курсе учатся представители практически всех областей Юга России, а лично со мной в группе одна девушка с Камчатки. Особых акцентов и диалектов не слышно (ну может кроме как у калмыков, но у них они тоже едва выражены и зачастую не заметны) Определить, что одна моя одногрупница с Камчатки а другая с Ростовской области по произношению невозможно. А сравните с той же Великобританией? В Лондоне и Балтиморе говорят с разными акцентами.

Originally Posted by Wowik

Маленький тест:
Бабушка рассказывала, что до революции в Питере им постоянно приходилось "ходить к Нобелю".
Это куда?

Что-то тест никто не прошел.

А питерских я слышу по произношению в нос. Сыро в Питере, насморк.

I traveled in Russia a lot and met with people from all over Russia (Magadan, Kaliningrad, Sochi, Kazan, Yaroslavl' etc.), and rarely noticed any crucial difference in the language. What I came across is mostly about pronounciation (sry if I repeat) :

1) Many people from Russian republics (Tatarstan, Tuva, Dagestan etc.) have strong accents due to the fact that Russian isn't their mother tongue. This is especially widespread in the depths of the country and among older people (they presumably speak their own languages at home). In cities, they may speak perfect standard Russian.

2) Some day I went to the country somewhere in the Volga area, and I noticed that villagers (presumably old ladies) for some reason were switching between akanya and okanye. I guess it's the influence of urbanization (they hear dachniks from the city and catch their accent). I heard lots of okanye, but that was going mostly from older ladies. Newer generations don't do okanye (because of TV and okayne being "funny" and "silly").

3) As it was said, southerners have a strong accent, which is very similar to Ukrainian (different г sound, different intonation).

The difference in vocabulary is small as well. A region has at most 10-20 words which are unique to that particular region, and this is all to do with the "dialects".

For example, influenced by Tatars, people from the Volga area are used to use word айда (ayda) which means "let's". When I used this word during my stay in Sochi (Southern Russia as you may know), a guy at the bazaar asked me "Are you from Tatarstan?"

I also heard that guy from Sochi saying нагинаться instead of нагибаться, but I guess it's the matter of a socialect, not a dialect.

I also experienced some difference in stress. For example, southerners say рАкушка while I would say ракУшка.

Another case in my experience was the fact I faced that the word зал when referring to a living room isn't used that much outside my region (they may call it гостиная or большая комната). Morever, in Bashkiria, I heard, they call it зала.

When I stayed in Petersburg, a woman who rented me out a room used the word парадная instead of подъезд.

As of grammar, I never met a person whose grammar would be different from the general Russian grammar in any way. I saw it only in dialectal books (like confusing genders).

This is all my experience on "dialects" I can remember of (I live in Russia for 20 years 600 miles away from Moscow). I wouldn't call it dialects. 10-20 unique local words + slight accent don't make up a dialect, I think.

Russian dialects that existed a couple decades ago mixed themselves to death with the standard language due to obligatory secondary education and mass media. The insignificant deviations from the norm can hardly be considered dialects. The only exception I know of is "surzyk," but there's still a lot of discussion of whether or not it can be considered a dialect.

Кстати, существуют словечки, которые употребляются исключительно в Харькове: "тремпель"

абсолутно нормально слово в петербурге так я его и от деда и от отца слыхал и сам впотребляю довольно регулярно и обзначает оно такая вешалка для брюков.

Originally Posted by Windup Merchantski

абсолутно нормально слово в петербурге так я его и от деда и от отца слыхал и сам впотребляю довольно регулярно и обзначает оно такая вешалка для брюков.

Some corrections:

Абсолютно нормальное слово для Петербурга, я его слышал и от деда, и от отца, да и сам употребляю довольно регулярно. Обозначает оно специальную вешалку для брюк.