Yes, and that's why I have stated that 'Russia does not need democracy (Western or not).'
Democracy is a tool to make idiots feel important.
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Yes, and that's why I have stated that 'Russia does not need democracy (Western or not).'
Democracy is a tool to make idiots feel important.
Perhaps, but that also has an implied notion of the government is trying to present itself respecting its citizens. And that has some very practically useful implications (for the citizens). :flazhok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Actually, this "equality" thing is the "big thing" about Scandinavia (particularly Sweden) and our rather red brand of Social Democracy. In Sweden it's almost impossible to get very rich - and also to be very poor. Because of redistribution of wealth through taxes. You could become "a little" richer than other people, but not much. Most regular people and media too despise rich people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
For the last 50 years probably, it's been completely unacceptable for our politicians to be snobbish or have a higher standard of living than "regular people".
Remember Olof Palme? He had been prime minister for 15 years and was internationally well-known. He got shot when he was about to take the metro home from the cinema! He travelled by metro and bus quite a lot.
Media runs stories on them - what their house looks like inside etc. If they have anything extravagant, they've got problems... Politicians seem to always be talking about how they share the housework with their wife (the wife works and they don't have a maid). Even the present prime minister was talking about how he finds hoovering good for clearing his mind and said that he does it every weekend.
They might have a summer cottage (dacha) but it's usually a small place - the more modest, the more "image points" for the politician. Ideally he should fix it up himself to look good to people. So the neighbours can see him climbing around on the roof or something like that.
There is also a law which makes all the financial dealings of the state public. Anyone can see the information about every penny that was used and what it was spent on. It's fairly unique in the world. They can't hide corruption behind bureaucracy of secrecy.
There are many silly and irritating things about Scandinavian politics but this is not one of them.
Plus in a small country, if you live in the capital - everyone knows everyone else.... If politicians were corrupt, people would find out. I can't even remember a case of a politician who was seriously corrupt and got exposed.
Of course, there have been some minor things exposed though, such as once a scandal of cheating with allocation of nice state-owned flats to relatives and such... But nothing even CLOSE to the kind of things that seem to be almost "normal" in Russia.
So most people think that the politicians are more or less honest although they might dislike them for other reasons.
«A word creates what it asserts» (Eliphas Levi).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
When you say, that we are slaves, even if we live in democracy, you are mistaken! You are not slave, you still have a choice: to be a virtual slave (to live like you live now), or to be someone else. True slave does not have this possibility.
Jus show me, where you rights and possibilities are restricted by someone. Show me who exploit you, rape you and compel you to do what you do not wish. Just show me.
My bank rapes me and my boss and my wife compel me to do what I do not wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Звездочёт
And when you tell we live in democracy it is you who is mistaken!
Right, and the force of gravity does not let you fly. What an oppressive world.. :tease:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
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Originally Posted by Ramil
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Originally Posted by Макс Фрай
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Originally Posted by it-ogo
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Wow! it-ogo, you're good! :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
So, how could you criticize a democracy, and say: "Russia does not need democracy", if you even don't live in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
en: The word of Sin is Restriction. O man! refuse not thy wife, if she will! O lover, if thou wilt, depart! There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursèd! Accursèd be it to the æons! Hell. (Liber AL, I:41)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
ru: Слово Греха - Ограничение. О муж! Не откажи жене своей, если она хочет! О любовник, если на то воля твоя, уходи! Нет уз, способных соединить разделённое, кроме любви: всё остальное есть проклятие. Проклято! Будь проклято оно на веки вечные! В ад. (Liber AL, I:41)
Who does hold you? Depart!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Who is guilty of that? It was your wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
You are free. A man makes his choice: to be happy or not! We can't do anythig, but we can do much. Our "vitual" slavery lives only in our faded will.
Брожу по дому со свечой.
В груди теснит, тоскливо, душно
И демон праздности -- сверчок
Пиликаньем изводит душу.
Read above - our freedom is merely a freedom to choose whom to obey.
Yeah, yeah... He made one unfocussed comment and everyone is jumping on it. Enough sexy stories about Ramil now :lol: :angel: :lol: :angel: :lol: But iti-ogo's comment was funny!
:instruct: The banks DO rape you - although in an economic sense.
I accidentally went over my overdraft limit with £12. For this, the bank charged me £25... Happened twice in 6 months because I was a bit sloppy.
It costs them NOTHING to process a rejected payment - it's done in the computer system without human interaction (I know, because I've worked on programming a system like that).
I normally keep an average of £2-3000 on that account which they make lots of money from (invested..). So how the *&(%&* can they motivate charging me a ridiculous sum for a completely harmless mistake!
I would change banks.... but they are all the same.
:bad: Really, they stink. :evil:
It's revolting to think how they mismanaged their own businesses, and then the UK government BAILS OUT these PRIVATELY OWNED banks with the taxpayers' money. That money should be used for the people, not for saving some fat-cat's neck. Hospitals etc need more money, but the government spends it on saving banks!
It makes me sick.
and reminds me of some old pics from school history. Like:
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p...capitalism.jpg
Plus some other good ones...
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Originally Posted by Ramil
How interesting! Do you realy belive in that?
Just listen your self. Who does compel you to obey, who does compel you make this choice: a fear, a habit, your mind or somthing else? Democracy (and other "political" systems) have nothing to do with that. We oppress our self, and nobody else.
This state, any state compels us to obey its laws. Any power is based on a threat of physical violence to everyone who disobeys if you get to the bottom of this. And democracy is not an exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Звездочёт
Who 'we'? I do not oppress anyone, including myself. As I already said in this thread - what we call democracy is not 'a rule of the people'. In theory - yes, but practice shows it's the same utopia as communism was. We are ruled by the gang of high-ranked criminals and our votes doesn't mean anything. Elections are held just for show... and to keep the people in misconception that they can do something to influence on the situation. Moreover, the money we pay as taxes are used to secure their positions. Do you live in some fairyland? Do you really believe we have democracy here? Or perhaps you write these messages from your estate in Barvikha - well then we live in different countries.Quote:
We oppress our self, and nobody else.
Этот тварь заслуживает жить?
"Подсудимый Гречушкин раздел усыновленного ребенка Александра, связал ему руки сзади туловища, в районе живота скотчем привязал аккумуляторную батарею, затем поместил его в хозяйственную сумку, отвез к мосту через реку Пехорка и сбросил с моста в реку".
Grechushkin undressed his adopted son (3 yrs. old) Alexander, tied his hands behind his back, scotch taped a car battery to his stomach, put the boy in a bag and threw him off a bridge into the river.
If the reported is true, that man deserved his death sentence. Probably, fast death is too good for such people. Life imprisonment served in the way so it's a lifelong torture suits the case better.
He got imprisonment for life which probably is not better than death. I'd prefer him to recall all his life what he did and think about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sperk
However, if he would be killed, it couldn't bring back to life the boy.
I've heard on TV that he and his wife belonged to a religious sect.
I don't believe in redemption of such people. I have already told that I deny such people a right to be called 'human beings'. And him sitting in prison recalling all his sins... I don't believe he would. Instead he would appeal for softening the sentence. 9g of lead and the case would be closed. Of course this won't return the boy to life, but still this will be a right thing to do.
Let's pause right here. WHO told you that was Grechushkin? He himself (after some dose of special medication)? Or perhaps someone else (after the similar dose)?Quote:
Originally Posted by sperk
WHAT MAKES YOU 100% CONFIDENT Grechushkin really had done all those things?
If you made a mistake you can release a prisoner, but you can't resurrect anyone. Period.
However, let's think about the justice a bit more. So, Ramil is saying his "9gr of lead" thing. Ok... but, wait a minute! Is that a just thing to do? Let's assume Grechushkin had really done that awful stuff. Then the only just thing to do would be to do exactly the same thing to him!! Wouldn't it? Why to advocate the 9gm of lead approach? Let's tie his hands behind his back, scotch tape a car battery to his stomach ... etc. Why don't we?
The goal is to execute the prisoner, not to make him regret it. He wouldn't. Just like a white blood cell kills a virus and then disposes of it. It's a sanitation sort of thing.
If so then why the 9gr of lead? Why not the euthanasia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
By the way, I hate the "sanitation" sort of explanation. Some people thought it's right to sanitize the world and make it free from the certain under-human individuals (Untermensch). I can't accept that.
Euthanasia is more expensive. There's also rope, but ropes tear. A bullet is the most effective, quickest and at the same time cheap way to execute a criminal.
Don't forget, you have to factor in the building and maintenance of a designated execution chamber with enough water and drainage to clean the splashes of blood. On the other hand, you could administer the euthanasia right in the prison cell. Also, according to http://www.animallaw.com/Humaneeuthanasia.htm Sodium Pentobarbital, which is the most cost-effective and overall least expensive of all euthanasia techniques, costs $2.88 including the cost of lethal injection, materials and labor. Is that cheap enough for your "sanitization?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Perhaps then you're right. Injection is better.
Since you probably wouldn't want to waste a cemetery land on the "not humans" you would cremate them, did I get you right? If yes, I have a suggestion for you. In order to save money, why not to burn them alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
This would make people who do the job very nerous. Cries etc. and the smell...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
There are ways to stop the cries and there should be no difference in smell when burning the live or dead bodies. About the nervousness ... well... it always takes some guts to kill. Also when it comes to the "9gr of the lead". But rest assured, each "non-human" would carry a "not a human" badge, so it should be easier, shouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
I'd do the translation like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by sperk
Подсудимый Гречушкин раздел своего трёхлетнего пасынка Сашу, связал ему руки сзади, примотал скотчем к животу автомобильный аккумулятор, затем поместил его в сумку, отвёз к мосту через Пехорку и сбросил в реку.
пасынок = adopted son (падчерица = adopted daughter)
Саша vs Александр - a short name is better in Russian when we speak about children.
связал руки сзади (set expression)
мотать vs связать the first is used most frequently when we speak about fixing smth with scotch-tape
аккумулятор = a rechargeable battery
сумка vs хозяйственная сумка. The latter is usually a bag one uses for everyday shopping. It's likely too small for one could put a 3 y.o child inside.
The attribute 'under-human' suits nicely the people who are capable to do what the report is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
Some criminals may be healthy, so the society could make use of their organs. We cannot waste them. Execute 'em by taking out their hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Ok, so would that attribute also apply to the police officers who had actually done what the report was about, and then put the blame on the adopting father? Can you really say 100% that hadn't happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ленивец
1. I mean such crimes in general, not exactly the Grechushkin's case. He's still waiting for his justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
2. If there were such officers I would be ok with calling them under-human too.
That's the whole problem. It will be real Grechushkins who you suggest to deprive of their organs. Not some abstract "criminals" or "non-humans". And those real people would remain humans until a legal process would rename them to the "under-humans". And should the legal process be 100% effective without leaving any doubt, I might agree with the executions. However, there's no way the 12 various people would be able to gain the supernatural powers so it's 100% clear what happened. Therefore, a room for the judicial mistake always remains. Wouldn't you think it's a good idea not to kill when in doubt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ленивец
Think about it this way. Say, you have a gun and you see someone dropping his adopted child into waters. Will you shoot him? Probably yes, because it's 100% clear. But, if you don't know what's in the bag (maybe it's a mannequin and a tape recording with screaming), you probably won't. Right?
No, but that doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
There's no 100% of anything in this life. A man cannot guarantee that he won't fall down from the stairs within the next 5 minutes or he won't eat something bad at dinner so what can we say about some more serious things? We are really helpless and powerless beings. Cattle that leaves justice on some higher being. Nevertheless, there are risks that must be taken. Say, some delay before the sentence is actually carried out (may be even up to several years) would be a compromise. There's an additional moment to the punishment since the anticipation of death is worse than death itself.
Besides, you keep repeating that stuff about 'judical errors' and I could agree that in some cases there's not enough evidence to be sure. This is why we have jury. They must be convinced in order to get the 'Guilty' verdict. But there are cases when the evidence is clear and there's your '100%'. Why should we spare these?
P.S. I won't shoot a man with a bag (even if it's crying). I'll try to stop him or jump after the bag. Then (if I'm sure) I'll kill the bastard.
'Subhuman' is the correct English translation for 'untermensch'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ленивец
The teaching of Crocodile is omnipotent because it is correct. :yahoo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Can you give me an example where the "100%" is there? Also, get real, the arbitrary 12 jury-duty people would be sleeping through the most of the hearings. They would take the advice of the judge before they go to form their verdict and that's all. Also, I highly doubt there would be much legal defense in case of Grechushkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Thank you - I stay corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by starrysky
How many divisions does Crocodile have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
We don't have enough information to make a judgement on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile