Thread: Разные мысли и соображения вокруг событий в Украине

Originally Posted by Paul G.

UhOhXplode,
Do you know that about 10% of the Ukrainian citizens work in Russia, because they can't feed their families in Ukraine? It's not about ethnical problems (although there is no big genetical difference between Russians and малороссиянами), it's about economics.
If a man has a (good) job in Ukraine, he thinks he may spit at Russia. But the truth is that incomes of the Ukrainian economics are just good business with Russia. So the "lucky" man with a good salary doesn't understand that a part of his salary comes from Russia (by the complicated system of money movement).
So we have two large groups of the people: the first one understands that they have a job only because of business with Russian partners. The second doesn't understand that, they think like "everything happens by itself." Also there is the third small group. They need an opportunity to rob ordinary people and appropriate the businesses of those oligarchs who lost the game.

Tbh, I don't even know how money moves in the US. But that does make sense. Even the US media said that the bulk of the Ukrainian economy was in eastern Ukraine.
The last part of your post makes sense too. The best time to appropriate business and grab money is when there's a National crisis - especially if the leadership changes.
It makes me wonder if the new leaders in Ukraine started the revolution just to grab money.

Originally Posted by SergeMak

A shocking thing about the Maidan (The Square of Independence in Kiev) heard not from media but from people.
An acquaintance of a friend of mine and my wife went to Kiev to take part in Maidan. I don't know why she decided to do so, she is a single woman about 40, has no-one to care for, maybe she did it for money, maybe because of curiosity, maybe not to be lonely, it doesn't matter. She stayed for some time in Kiev, then returned home to Russia. After some time she felt bad. She came to a doctor and was hospitalized for an examination. It was revealed that she has a bad drug dependence. The woman never touched narcotic in her life. She didn't intendedly use drugs during her stay in Kiev. All she ate or drank was the food and beverages that the Maidan organizers provided the participants with. So it means that the Maidan food or beverages were doped.
I made a search in the Internet and found that people write about thousands of such cases. Here's a couple of links:
Наркомания Майдана: Статистика МОЗ - ЯПлакалъ
Наркотическая ломка участников Майдана | ОПТИМИСТ
In the second link it is said about invigorative grass tea dispensed amongst the participants of the rally after which they felt a physical and emotional uplift. All the symptoms are very similar to the consequences of taking amphetamine.
So the Maidan organizers have betrayed their supporters twice - first they have secretly doped the people with heavy drugs and then shot them in the back from the buildings which were under their control.

Thanks for those links. I heard the story about drugs and snipers but this is the first time I've seen proof from the Ministry of Health and the WHO. Herbal tea would be the perfect way to conceal drugs since there's so many flavors. Also I agree, it would be the perfect way to keep a strong protest alive and active. And yeah, there should not be that many cases of drug and stress disorders because the protests weren't that violent and I seriously doubt that all Ukrainians are drug addicts.

This leaves 2 possibilities:
1. The protestors were drugged by the opposition leaders. If that's true, then those leaders should be in prisons.
2. The protestors were drug addicts. If that's true, then the revolution is not legitimate.
But I would still like to see more info about the sniper thing.

The first article said that "friends in Kharkov reported specific information". And you said that you are 500 km from Kiev. Are you in Kharkov?

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

It makes me wonder if the new leaders in Ukraine started the revolution just to grab money.

It already happens. As you maybe know, D. Firtash arrested today at the instance of FBI (almighty FBI couldn't catch him for 8 years, and ooops! what a surprise, this elusive gangster-billionaire was at last arrested; of course, it has nothing to do with Ukrainian events). He's the third largest "oligarch." Also, sons of Yanukovich were freezed out. I don't consider Yanukovich as a good president. He has squandered all. But he was just a protege of some oligarchic forces. So if ordinary people think that they made a revolution, I have to disappoint them: it's not a revolution, it's a coup organized by the armed squads (mainly Nazi) for the interests of third party. If it were a revolution, it had to change political and economical course. But nothing happened and something like that is not even declared. All the "oligarchs" are on their places. One of them even became a mayor, although (just think about that!) he's a citizen of Israel. How is it possible if so-called "revolution" was "against corruption"? I can put tens of such awkward questions. All of these questions just confirm that ordinary people were cheated again. And it looks like this process will never stop.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

I heard the story about drugs and snipers but this is the first time I've seen proof from the Ministry of Health and the WHO.

There's no proof, just statistics about hospitalization (without any details), though, according to author, somehow it proves something.
The every aspect of the story is too ridiculous for anyone who have slightest idea about drugs and medicine: doctors diagnose drug addiction to unknown drug, which causes harsh withdrawal after few days of use, no one got sample? ROFL