you know what is really dumb?
many people here in the US are acting all stupid about the whole"US is always right, how dare you disagree with us because you are wrong and evil if you do" what is it with all the french bad mouthing? and the "france would be speaking german if it wasn't for us"?
history fact: USA would NOT be an INDEPENDET nation if it wasn't for FRANCE. The British were the most powerful nation in the world, militarily and economically speaking and france was second. the french after the american victory over the British (which was minor one and one of the few we had) decided to help waging an intercolonial war, fighting Britain in Europe, Asia, and Africa. Britain couldn't take the pressure and since their resources were being focused on the important war against france, plus the frence blockade, it made it imposible for the british to fight an efficient war on the easily defeatable rebels.
France has always been a wonderful, powerful, and militarily superior nation but being to close to germany made her fall. The US alone did not LIBERATE Europe I would say that The RUSSIANS were the ones who defeated hittler with the help of the allies and not the other way around.
Re: you know what is really dumb?
history fact: USA would NOT be an INDEPENDET nation if it wasn't for FRANCE. The British were the most powerful nation in the world, militarily and economically speaking and france was second. the french after the american victory over the British (which was minor one and one of the few we had) decided to help waging an intercolonial war, fighting Britain in Europe, Asia, and Africa. Britain couldn't take the pressure and since their resources were being focused on the important war against france, plus the frence blockade, it made it imposible for the british to fight an efficient war on the easily defeatable rebels.
So therefore we should all be grateful to France? What happened more than 300 years ago should not be blamed on or thanked for to any specific nation, because none of what they had then (the politics) exists now. This is especially true since France has completely changed its policy on helping the US.
WWII, however, was not much more than half a century ago. Also, the US war policies of that time remain even today. I think Mike or that environmentalist (sorry for not remembering your name, it's long and in Russian) said something like "who cares what happened several generations ago?" I agree with this, especially if the only link between the past and the present is a nation that has changed a lot since whatever happened.
By the way, the blockade you mentioned had virtually no effect at all.
France has always been a wonderful, powerful, and militarily superior nation but being to close to germany made her fall. The US alone did not LIBERATE Europe I would say that The RUSSIANS were the ones who defeated hittler with the help of the allies and not the other way around
A bit earlier this year I was convinced that Saudi Arabia was the best nominee for Worst "Ally" of the Year. This has definitely changed to France. They may seem wonderful, but they're not. They are CERTAINLY not a powerful and militarily superior nation. It may seem like that too, but it seems they won't accept the fact that things change and they should stop being so arrogant. (I am talking about the government, not the people.)
The US alone did not liberate Europe (why did you stress LIBERATE? they did liberate it, only not ALONE), but they did give the war a turning point - not alone, but more so than Russia. Russia was practically allied to Germany, cooperated with them militarily, and did not give a damn about them until Germany decided to invade Russia. Then Russia liberated themselves, and continued all the way to Berlin and liberated everything between Berlin and Russia. About the Russians coming first to Berlin, it was a simple race for honor, and the Russians drove faster. How honorable.
You may say that the USA did not care about Germany until they were invaded, either, but that is not true. The government wanted to care, but they didn't have enough support. Pearl Harbor gave them that support.
When you think about it, the USA and the UK liberated North Africa. The USA and the UK liberated Italy, Norway, France, Belgium, Holland, and most of Germany. Also, it was after the allied attacks on Anzio and Normandy that Russia could really push forward. Joseph Stalin had been begging his allies to pleeeeasse please please please open a second front on the Germans, and when that happened - the Germans were defeated.
Re: you know what is really dumb?
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Originally Posted by jle5509
many people here in the US are acting all stupid about the whole"US is always right, how dare you disagree with us because you are wrong and evil if you do" what is it with all the french bad mouthing? and the "france would be speaking german if it wasn't for us"?
history fact: USA would NOT be an INDEPENDET nation if it wasn't for FRANCE. The British were the most powerful nation in the world, militarily and economically speaking and france was second. the french after the american victory over the British (which was minor one and one of the few we had) decided to help waging an intercolonial war, fighting Britain in Europe, Asia, and Africa. Britain couldn't take the pressure and since their resources were being focused on the important war against france, plus the frence blockade, it made it imposible for the british to fight an efficient war on the easily defeatable rebels.
France has always been a wonderful, powerful, and militarily superior nation but being to close to germany made her fall. The US alone did not LIBERATE Europe I would say that The RUSSIANS were the ones who defeated hittler with the help of the allies and not the other way around.
The French language is so great... especially cursing. It feels like I am whiping my @@@ with silk.
(is whiping even a word???!!! what is the present form of (to) whipe as in to whipe of a stain in the carpet.)