Thread: What do you think about the EU?

I think you've teased me enough today. I have run out of inspiration to respond.

But there has never been a war between the EU countries, so my "propaganda" is true.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I think you've teased me enough today. I have run out of inspiration to respond. But there has never been a war between the EU countries, so my "propaganda" is true.

Come on, no more teasing today? Is that for real?
As for the wars, there are several things here:

1. As long as the economy is tightly integrated, the local economies could not be protected/promoted by the local armies. So, yes, the EU leads to more Europe-wide security.

2. To further extrapolate that logic, as long as the world economy is global and tightly integrated, there would be more global security.

So, what have you said about the evils of the globalization last time?

Originally Posted by Hanna

But there has never been a war between the EU countries, so my "propaganda" is true.

Well, yes, but European countries have been warring with each other since the time Europe had been populated. They stopped doing so only in 1945 ))) (if we don't count Yugoslavia). Several thousands years of war compared to 65 years of relative peace...

Originally Posted by Ramil

Well, yes, but European countries have been warring with each other since the time Europe had been populated. They stopped doing so only in 1945 ))) (if we don't count Yugoslavia). Several thousands years of war compared to 65 years of relative peace...

Yes Mr Cynic This is true, but do you see any wars between the EU countries on the horizon? We will break the 100 year barrier before you know it!

France and the UK just formed a "defense union" which lets both countries cut back national defense expenditure. I think it's a question of time before Germany and Spain joins this.

There's been talk about a joint EU defense since the 1990s but people were not ready for it. I think it will happen. When that's complete, then there definitely won't be any internal wars within the EU.

In my view, Europe has no enemies other than poverty in Africa and wars in the Middle East creating millions of would-be migrants and refugees that we cannot accommodate.

@ Croc: EU is not globalism is regionalism!

Originally Posted by Hanna

Yes Mr Cynic This is true, but do you see any wars between the EU countries on the horizon?

No, I don't. Equally I do not see any wars between any 'civilized' countries. War IS expensive. If 300 years ago killing an enemy soldier cost about $0.5, 100 years ago it was already about $50 and now it's $50,000 or more. But this doesn't mean anything. The nature of war has changed. Countries try not to make war upon other countries, but individuals continue to do it. That's what terrorism (or extremism) is about. While you cannot defeat any country with military terms alone you can achieve your objectives using other methods which are sometimes as deadly as capet bombing.

Originally Posted by Hanna

EU is not globalism is regionalism!

Whoa! Look who is using the double standards now!! So, the exact same processes are dubbed "regionalization" to divert the attention away from the evil "globalization" and we're all set!! "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi."

Originally Posted by Hanna

France and the UK just formed a "defense union"

Khrrrm. Cough, cough. Am I the only one to see the irony in this?
If I AM the only one, that's okay. Maybe it is just vodka speaking. Not asking anyone to agree. Or disagree.

Originally Posted by translationsnmru

Khrrrm. Cough, cough. Am I the only one to see the irony in this?
If I AM the only one, that's okay. Maybe it is just vodka speaking. Not asking anyone to agree. Or disagree.

Why this irony is so special in comparison to the irony of any other combination?

EU? It is just great, isn't it? I wonder if Germans will enjoy bailing out countries like Greece, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, probably, and many more countries. I think Germans are also happy that the Government keeps printing money to pay them when their employer would have laid them off.

It must be nice to print money whenever you want. I guess the Euro currency is magic and nothing will happen to it - no chance of it losing value or anything like that, no.

I think many Germans must drink Beck or something because they don't seem to mind what consecutive Governments do and keep voting in these parties. Silly citizens.

EU or Euro towards one global currency, perhaps? I think elites benefit and if the entire thing collapses, these politicians and elites will be fine because they'll have a considerable savings to leave whatever country and go to where it's safe and lounge around in leather sofas while singing in their BMWs. I find it fascinating how people tolerate these politicians and believe their every word. They sure have a lot of optimism. I wonder if they like being brainwashed.

I hope my opinion isn't too harsh.... I think I speak the truth, though. Time will tell and history will illustrate how accurate this is.