Thread: In the next ten years Russian will regain freedom of speach!

http://lenta.ru/articles/2006/04/25/ntv/

Михаил Осокин уходит с НТВ. Теперь он будет работать на международном русскоязычном канале RTVi, контролируемом бывшим владельцем НТВ Владимиром Гусинским. Приход известных ведущих на спутниковые телеканалы грозит стать началом возрождения в России независимого телевещания.

Osokin quits the NTV channel. He's going to work for the international Russian-speaking channel of RTVi managed by the former NTV owner Vladimir Gusinskiy. Famous broadcasters' coming on satellite channels is threatened with a revival of independent television in Russia.

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По мнению экспертов, если инвесторы не сбавят темп, то уже через 10 лет кабельное телевидение будет таким же доступным, как и мобильная связь.

By opinions of experts, if the investors do not slow down, then after 10 years cable TV will be as the same available as mobile connection.
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Сейчас спутниковым телеканалам сложно конкурировать с эфирными - имеющиеся в их распоряжении бюджеты не позволяют снимать дорогие программы и фильмы, переманивать известных ведущих. Если инвесторы сдержат обещание, то через десять лет у каналов, вроде RTVi, проблем с деньгами не будет. А поспешив, спутниковые вещатели смогут решить проблемы и с программным продуктом. В последние годы без работы оказалось немало известных тележурналистов. Теперь вопрос лишь в том, сумеют ли независимые телеканалы вернуть их в профессию. Переход Осокина с НТВ на RTVi внушает оптимизм.

Now it's difficult for satellite chanells to compete with the genreal ones, because their budgets do not allow them to make expensive programs and films and gain over famous reporters. If the investors keep their promise, such channels as RTVi will have not problems with money. During recent years quite a few famous TV journalists have found themselves out of work. Now the only question is just wether independent chanells are able to get them back in their profession. The transfer of Osokin from NTV to RTVi commands optimism.

It`s not exactly correct to say that freedom of speech will regain in Russia. Becuase freedom of speech exists there. Of course, many TV channels are controlled by state and around state companies,but there a lot of independent newspapers and magazines (federal,regional,municipal). Take the magazine "Коммерсант: Власть", "Газета" and you see different points of view on Chechnya problem, "gas wars" economical and political reforms e.t.c.
I am sure sattellite TV is too expensive for most of russians and to create sattellite channel doesnt mean to regain illusive termin :freedom of speech".

I would like to know, Anyone, who doesn`t live in Russia, has ever watched Russia Today channel (RT)? What do you think about it?

Please, correct mistakes if you have free time.

Спорят русский и американец о свободе слова:
Американец: Вот у нас в Америке, каждый может выйти к Белому Дому и сказать, что наш президент - дурак.

Русский: Ну и что, у нас тоже каждый может выйти на Красную Площадь и сказать, что ваш президент - дурак

Originally Posted by Funtik The pig

It`s not exactly correct to say that freedom of speech will regain in Russia. Becuase the freedom of speech exists there. Of course, many TV channels are controlled by the state and around state companies,but there are a lot of independent newspapers and magazines (federal,regional,municipal). Take the magazine "Коммерсант: Власть", "Газета" and you will see some different points of view about the Chechnya problem, "gas wars" economical and political reforms e.t.c.
I am sure that the sattellite TV is too expensive for most of russians and to create a sattellite channel doesnt mean to regain an illusive termin :freedom of speech".

I would like to know, Anyone, who doesn`t live in Russia, has ever watched Russia Today channel (RT)? What do you think about it?

Please, correct mistakes if you have free time.

Al I right???

Вот еще в тему:

Советский воробей перелетел на запад.
- что, в России плохо с кормом? - спрашивает его западный воробей.
- сколько угодно! Нигде не рассыпают на землю столько зерна, сколько там.
- так чего же ты там не остался?
- почирикать захотелось!

Chuvak, спасибо. С артиклями прямо беда.

Originally Posted by Funtik The pig

Вот еще в тему:

Советский воробей перелетел на запад.
- что, в России плохо с кормом? - спрашивает его западный воробей.
- сколько угодно! Нигде не рассыпают на землю столько зерна, сколько там.
- так чего же ты там не остался?
- почирикать захотелось!

Chuvak, спасибо. С артиклями прямо беда.

Не, я тоже русский, я исправил так как мне кажется правильным... Я хочу чтобы англоязычные товарищи проверили мои исправления!!!

It`s not exactly correct to say that freedom of speech will regain in Russia. Becuase freedom of speech exists there.

I don't think so. Just look at that

http://www.bankfax.ru/page.php?pg=34194

http://www.bankfax.ru/ploshadsovetov.php

Я исправил бы твое сообщение следующим образом:

Originally Posted by Funtik The pig

It`s not exactly correct to say that freedom of speech will be regained in Russia. Becuase freedom of speech exists there. Of course, many TV channels are controlled by the state and state companies, but there are a lot of independent newspapers and magazines (federal,regional,municipal). Take the magazine "Коммерсант: Власть", "Газета" and you will see different points of view on the Chechnya problem, "gas wars" economical and political reforms e.t.c.
I am sure sattellite TV is too expensive for most russians and to a create sattellite channel doesnt mean to regain the illusive term :freedom of speech".

I would like to know, has anyone, who doesn`t live in Russia, ever watched the Russia Today channel (RT)? What do you think about it?

Please, correct mistakes if you have free time.

http://www.bankfax.ru/page.php?pg=34194
If you registered mass media you should bare a responsibility for you materials, comments. And if the fact of contravention is found you should pay the fiddler. To enkindle the hate is a crime.
The biggest problem is a transparency of our court. Russian courts are entirely corrupted. Thus the decision to close the web site without searching the evidences of guilt is awful.
I don`t deny the pressure to local mass media. Local newspapers, web-sites are fields of confrontation of regional elites. The popular way to survive in that struggle is to complain and hysterically cry aloud about the ending of freedom.

I am sure that the Channel of Mr Gusinsky represented independent points of view and it`s full of freedom of speech. )
By the way, hasn`t he left the prison in Israel yet?

http://www.bankfax.ru/ploshadsovetov.php
Nothing to say,different feelings. When I hear the words запрет митингов I remember french students protests... and may be sometimes it`s right.

I can give you the examples of criticism and jeers at officials in difffernet mass media, which aren`t closed and absolutely successful.

Nothing to say,different feelings. When I hear the words запрет митингов I remember french students protests... and may be sometimes it`s right.

If it's right it also means there's absense of freedom of speach. French students defend their rights and if no one wants to listen to them, their action will remind the govenment of their presence. Most Russians are too slavish for such things. Of course it's possible to prohibit public meetings under the pretext of protection against terror attacks, but in this case only hungerstrike remains as a means for protest, except for some latent ways such as silent sabotage and disobedience.

French students defend their rights and if no one wants to listen to them, their action will remind the govenment of their presence.

I am not French and I can mistake in understanding of the true reasons of the clash. In my point of view it`s natural revolt of "троечников".
Students who want to study didn`t take part in the brawls. There were public meetings against such "public meetings" French government tried hard to lower unemployment amidst young people. The result of students brawls is the retention of high young people unemployment. As Sam Black said majority is most active minority.

Most Russians are too slavish for such things.

May be you`re right, but I guess you know what is "русский бунт".
Defence of your rights doesn`t mean breach the peace or rights others to study. There are different institutions to defend your rights and they need in developing. Street democracy is like an anarchy. French don`t know what they want, they live in the real socialistic country and have got all benefits from the system of social assistance. They must build their futures themselves and don`t demand excessive help of the state.

but I guess you know what is "русский бунт".

It means only this: Russians consider only two alternatives, either living in a gang or in slavery. Freedom in their narrow minds means living in a gang. Order means being slaves. As always, we go from one extreme to another.

French don`t know what they want, they live in the real socialistic country and have got all benefits from the system of social assistance. They must build their futures themselves and don`t demand excessive help of the state.

It seems you don't understand properly what exactley they want. These students want that they are not discriminated by age. And when they see even looming attempts at their rights, they immedialtey abandon their current matters and go to protest. Here in Russia we ignor discrimination problems while we are ok, but when troubles have come, no one helps, because he thinks he's still ok and nothing else matters.

We don't go out to protest that we have a very bad and poor army, we prefer to dodge the army draft and use every means for this, including bribing. And while this, boys in the Army will die, but we don't care as usual.

It means only this: Russians consider only two alternatives, either living in a gang or in slavery. Freedom in their narrow minds means living in a gang. Order means being slaves. As always, we go from one extreme to another.

Your opinion is too unjust and dogmatically.
http://www.expert.ru/politics/2005/06/22ex-istor/
This is an interesting and disputable article, probably you`ve already read it, but I suppose it helps to muse on russian slavery and freedom once again.

We don't go out to protest that we have a very bad and poor army, we prefer to dodge the army draft and use every means for this, including bribing. And while this, boys in the Army will die, but we don't care as usual.

I absolutely agree. Mr.Ivanov said absolutely right that our army mirrors the condition of our society. And it`s not a problem of relations between the state and an individual, servility to the state power. We are the slaves of own cruelty, selfishness and heartlessness.

We are the slaves of own cruelty, selfishness and heartlessness.

That sounds also reasonable.