Thread: Russian Politician wants Russia to use the Euro, to "save" it....

This is mainly for fun, I know this will never happen:

Here is the article I read about it: Rysk politiker vill införa euron | Näringsliv | SvD
(If anyone is really interested, just run it through google translate, it's in Swedish).
The name of the person in question is Mikhail Prokhorov who is a politician (what party?) and oligarch, according to the article. What do you know about him?

Basically he is saying that Russian participation would guarantee the future of the Euro and it would create a kick-ass economic zone from the Atlantic to the Pacific (move over, the dollar...!) Also from the point of view of Europeans, it would be a situation of "better the devil you know" - it would be better to work with Russia than to have China step up if/when the dollar sinks.

I just think it's a cool idea, but obviously I realise that Russia hardly could not be in the Euro since it's not in the EU, does not qualify to be in the EU (and probably doesn't want to) and because the existing EU members to varying grades are relatively paranoid and suspicious about Russia.

Also, I think that Russian media is exaggerating the problems with the Euro, it's not quite as bad as they make out. Germany and France are totally committed to it, they seem prepared to stop at nothing to keep it working. It will only fail if the ECB, Germany and France totally fail at one of their main political priorities.

From watching Russia Today a bit recently I have noticed that there is a lot of interest in the Euro in Russia. I had not realised Russia cared massively about either the euro or the EU in general. I thought Russia didn't take either very seriously.

Actually most Russian politicans secretly dream about joining EU and Eurozone but will never admit it because Russia simply cannot allow itself to beg and stand in line for membership. It would be too much humilation for national pride. So I guess in the nearby 50 years Russia will keep pretending that we aren't interested in any EU or Eurozone participation. Also Prokhorov is a clown, don't take him seriously. He is most famous for two cases: first, when he brought some 50 whores to Courchevel and French police accused him for pimping but his lawyers proved that he brought all of them for himself. And second when he proposed a law to replace current 40-hours working week in Russia with 60-hours one.

So I guess in the nearby 50 years Russia will keep pretending that we aren't interested in any EU or Eurozone participation

In these years Russia can dissolve again - just like in 1990 - oppressive dictatorships do not last forever - just like USSR, and now - Arab world.
Egyptian dictator Mubarak probably did not think in 2010, that in the next year he will be put to trial...

And after dissolution - parts of Russia's European half might join EU/Eurozone or even NATO - just like it happened with parts of former USSR - Baltics joined, and there are ongoing talks with Ukraine and Georgia.

I believe Baltic countries were always trying to cut themselves off Russia, even their join to USSR was forced, so - bad example

In these years Russia can dissolve again - just like in 1990 - oppressive dictatorships do not last forever - just like USSR, and now - Arab world.
Egyptian dictator Mubarak probably did not think in 2010, that in the next year he will be put to trial...

And after dissolution - parts of Russia's European half might join EU/Eurozone or even NATO - just like it happened with parts of former USSR - Baltics joined, and there are ongoing talks with Ukraine and Georgia.

That's your dream. We will hope it will never come true.

Dream or not, but it is foolish to assume that current borders are set in stone and will not change forever from now on.
Soviet Union also was called "союз нерушимий" and not many people in, for example, 1985 thought that after ~5 years it will not exist anymore.


And for me it is more believable that parts of Russia joins EU than Russia in its current state with its heavy corruption, authoritarianism and беспредел.

The reverse process is also possible, by the way. Following the total economic collapse of EU, for example. troll_face.png

The EU is not quite as close to collapse as Russian media seems to imagine!
As I've said several times, it would be very beneficial both for Russia and the EU if the level of trade, cultural exchange, openness and business increased between the areas.

if the level of trade, cultural exchange, openness and business increased between the areas.

And the level of crime and corruption too?

Originally Posted by nulle

And the level of crime and corruption too?

Total crimes (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

On the other hand, NOBODY thought that the USSR would disintegrate, and the EU is a lot more shaky than that. Maybe Russian media is thinking along those lines.
Well, time will tell. The thing is, I think the individual nation states in Europe (most of them) are simply too small to stand up for themselves against larger powers like the US, Russia, China etc.
If we want our voices to be heard, we have to unite. Plus, as a peace project it's been very successful.

Originally Posted by Hanna

On the other hand, NOBODY thought that the USSR would disintegrate, and the EU is a lot more shaky than that. Maybe Russian media is thinking along those lines.
Well, time will tell. The thing is, I think the individual nation states in Europe (most of them) are simply too small to stand up for themselves against larger powers like the US, Russia, China etc.
If we want our voices to be heard, we have to unite. Plus, as a peace project it's been very successful.

Europe will soon be overrun by the Zerg immigrants. You'll be probably wearing a hijab by the time you get old.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Europe will soon be overrun by the Zerg immigrants. You'll be probably wearing a hijab by the time you get old.

This time I can't argue with you....
See my travel blog about the village of "Sauna Swamp". Even this place has a small immigrant camp. It's an arch Christian place in the middle of the taiga... And in the local grocery shop turns up a pregnant black girl of about 15, wrapped from head to toe in a Somalian chador or whatever it's called... In the Somalian desert that's probably the perfect way to dress but.... Apparently those kids are "unaccompanied minors". Somehow they got all the way from Somalia to Sweden illegally and then they apply for political asylum. Once a child gets asylum, the whole family is entitled to come to.... And they don't work... live off the state.... (Where is this craziness going to end..... ?)

deleted my totally offtopic post!

And they don't work... live off the state.... (Where is this craziness going to end..... ?)

As I said - it is a hint to reform social security system, to make it impossible.
In Latvia living off the state is quite difficult - that pregnant girl would probably get only ~100$ per month child support here (+600$ at birth) and nothing more if she does not work. (And you have to work at least for 1 year to get unemployment benefits). So i'm not particularly against immigrants, as they will either work and pay taxes or die of starvation or cold weather.

Following the total economic collapse of EU, for example.

Russian economy also will be hit hard by that event - as most exports are to EU.
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But yes - reverse variant is possible too.

@Basil77 - where is the Sharia Zone sign from?

Originally Posted by nulle

As I said - it is a hint to reform social security system, to make it impossible.

I wouldn't want it to be like in Latvia.... people can almost start starving or freezing due to lack of money. And lots of people are forced to simply leave the country.

But the idea that some people are too lazy to work and sit around and get supported by the state (i.e. their fellowing citizens who actually do work..) is just wrong.
And Sweden is not only supporting it's own lazy citizens (of which there are increasingly more)... but also those from other countries who turn up and tell some story about being persecuted. Quite a few of them are even criminal! And in the meantime old people don't get the care they deserve, and the schools and railways are suffering from neglect. I think it's a disgrace. I know there are quite a few immigrants from Eastern Europe in Sweden and I am not talking about them whatsoever, since they are hard working and fit in culturally. I have no objection to such people whatsoever. If they want to come to Sweden most people would be happy to see them because they have a good reputation. But people who can't read and write, or violent people from the Middle East who have absolutely nothing in common culturally.... No thanks! Practically all violent crime in Sweden involves somebody with a foreign background. It's absolutely unbelievable.

people can almost start starving or freezing due to lack of money.

If you are able to work and are not lazy you will not starve here.
If you are disabled or old you can apply for state pension - they are not large, but that's because people could not save anything during soviet times - SU left us with no money.
In normal countries you could save for your pension in some pension fund, or do business, and save the spare cash. But SU was not a normal country, so you could not do any of that - you had to watch your money wasted on bullshit like soviet military, and good life for communist elite.

And lots of people are forced to simply leave the country.

No one is forcing them - borders are open - everyone are free to go wherever they want.

And in the meantime old people don't get the care they deserve, and the schools and railways are suffering from neglect

In Sweden ?

but also those from other countries who turn up and tell some story about being persecuted

Like Latvian Legionnaires who were extradited back to USSR and died in GULAG?
And only after more than 50 years Sweden apologized for that.

Practically all violent crime in Sweden involves somebody with a foreign background.

Russian is "official" language in prisons here

Originally Posted by Hanna

@Basil77 - where is the Sharia Zone sign from?

I dunno. It was Ramil who posted it.

Shariah-controlled zone signs appearing in parts of the UK

Ooops, sorry about the mixup.

Oh dear. As far as I am concerned, they can move to Iran or Saudi Arabia if they want Sharia. Or go back to wherever they came from and set it up there.
I am sure Sharia has many good points but it does not belong in the UK.