Can someone tell me about Russia's relations with Japan, China, and Australia? I am not knowing about their relations.
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Can someone tell me about Russia's relations with Japan, China, and Australia? I am not knowing about their relations.
Officially - good relations.Quote:
Originally Posted by In Love With Russia
With Australia - it is fine.
Japan - problems with Kuriles. Personally I against homing these islands of Japan.
For China a problem of overcrowding. China executes latent expansion on the Russian terrain. Some experts consider{count}, that hereafter (through 10-20 flying) the armed conflict of Russia with China is possible{probable}. If to the that moment the USA will not attack Russia or China.
To Ger:
To consider - считать, рассматривать (иметь какую-либо точку зрения)
English is considered as interenational language — Английский считается международным языком.
To count - считать (в математическом смысле)
I'm counting crows — Я считаю ворон
Possible - возможно, осуществимо
I think it's possible — Я думаю, что это осуществимо.
Probably - возможно, наверное, скорее всего
Probably he is not an Englishman — Возможно, что он не англичанин.
About Japan: as Ger said, there's still a problem of 4 northern Kuril islands, which were annexed by Soviet Union as the end of WWII. Japan just wanting them back. (That is the reason, why Japan always refused to sign peace treaty with SU, and then with Russia. So, from formal point of view, Japan and Russian Federation... are still in the state of war. Good relations, aren't they? :) )
About China: mostly relations are normal, but there are also some territorial contradictions (several islands on Amur river). Speaking about the future, some analists think about China as of a potential threat, most do not. I don't think China is real threat (if they want to conquer eastern Siberia, they perfectly could do it 2000 years before Russia started to exist :) )
About Australia: they are OK, if there are actually much of relations. It's a bit too far.
Россия свободна не потому, что другие страны, не хотят контролировать её территорию. Они ПОКА не могут. Россия имеет ядерные ракеты, большая часть которых прорвется через любую ПРО. Именно это нас охраняет. Во всяком случае пока.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio
И вообще, ребята, читайте дяденьку Бжезинского, Паршева, Мишшеля Голлона, и других.
I wish Australia did have relations with Russia. I think we are basically neutral to each other.
who actually lives on those Kuril islands? Japanese that speak Russian, Japanese that speak Japanese, Russians, or nobody?
RussiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Pravit
ой, Veedeey, уже давно тебя не здесь видел! ты очень занятой?
Check this out. obviously someones got too much time on there hands, they have invented a compleatly fake island. http://www.newisland.net
А о чем собственно спор? Вопрос-то был об отношениях России с Японией, Китаем и Австралией. Вот я и считаю, что ни одна из перечисленных стран России в данный момент не угрожает. Hint: это еще не означает, что не угрожает НИКТО. BTW, обе книги Паршева и "Нефть, PR, война" Мишеля Коллона я читал (и их авторы, вроде, со мной в этом вопросе согласны).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ger
Впрочем, если хотите продолжать дискуссию по-русски, лучше перенести ее в русскую часть форума. А то остальные посетители на нас обидятся. :D
Хорошо. Между русскими данную дискуссию не интересно продолжать. :D Насчет русского языка - Я не думаю, что кто-то обидится. Я же не обижаюсь, когда в дискуссию на русском вываливается сообщение на английском, я включаю силу своей мысли и ... (электронный переводчик). :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio
I menya! :wink: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ger
Голландский Ёж включается "в розетку" только на самый крайний случай, когда сила моей животворящей мысли настолько минимальна, что не может выполнять своих функций.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollandski Yozh
:D :D :D :D
Esli ya stal tvoej poslednej nadezhdoj, ty ZNAESH, chto u tebya SER'YOZNYE problemy! :wink: :D
Ну не надо так надуваться от гордости. А то твои синие уши могут лопнуть (см. картинку). 8) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gollandski Yozh
P.S. кстати, твой адрес MSNM - правильный? Очень похоже, что это e-mail. Я попытался к нему подключиться и не получилось. :?
Sejchas ya vklyuchu MSN. Ty posmotri esho raz!
hmm...
Russians, is that so?
Aren't the Kuriles smack in the middle of Ainu territory (indigenous of Hokkaido in Japan, Sakhalin in RusFed). Or could there possibly be another eastern people indiginous to the place, I don't know. Anyways, it's definitely neither ethnic Russians nor ethnic Japanese that's the original people there.
So if there's actually a majority of Russian Russians there, what happened to the Ainu (or whatever) could someone please enlighten me? Minoritized? Russianized? Stalinized to a small community in Western Sibieria? Killed?
This topic has been dead a little while :wink: But I thought it was pretty interesting too.
I searched around on the net a little bit. Most of the websites having anything about it said that before the war the Kuril Ainu were moved to Hokkaido, and that after the war most of the Sakhalin Ainu moved to Hokkaido. There are supposedly still some native peoples on Sakhalin island. Remember that there weren't that many people living on the islands by the time WWII started(so a big influx of Russians could easily make them the minority).
The Ainu people themselves interest me. Their language is linguistically unrelated to Japanese or anything in the area, I've heard(and ethnically they are distant from other East Asian peoples, this website says they have even been classed as "Caucasoid" or "Australoid"). However I assume that within a decade or so they will have all but dissapeared. Perhaps they are related to the native peoples of Kamchatka?
Yes, maybe they are Kamchatka-related... Though I've heard they're linguistically Sino-Tibetan (Japanese, Mandarin etc). But I could be wrong.
If they've been moved, or moved on their own, to Japan - then they probably don't have any future in the RF no matter what land claims they make. But the Ainu of Japan, I think will survive (though maybe not their language). A delegation of them came to Troms
Hi, I've just found this site and signed up here. :D
I'm curious to know, how much is Australia mentioned in the Russian media (if at all)? Down here in Australia, just about the only time Russia gets mentioned is when disasters of one sort or another happen there. :cry: And our Prime Minister is too busy getting cozy with the USA to bother with Russia (if he even knows it exists!). There's plenty of Russians emmigrated out here, though, including the suburb where I live.
P.S. I can't speak Russian as such, but I have managed to learn the alphabet! (I'm kind of stalled there.)
Hi Suzy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzy
Well, it is a common thing. For example (if you are 'from a Melbourne suburb with plenty of Russians', you probably know the story :) ):
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2003/11/14/249884.shtml
(in English see http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s988790.htm )
Unfortunately, most of news like that come with a lot of unnecessary stupid speculations.
And of course, such events like G.W.Bush's visit to Australia appear in Russian news, too.
originally the islands were owned by Russia but then in 1905 there was the Russo-Japanese war, which resulted in the Japanese taking them, then 1945 was Russain payback. The Ainu are almost gone they are asiatic caucasoids and resmeble other "white" peoples.
Did Japan at all attack russia at any time in WWII ?? I was watching a thing the other day on TV about American planes that were shot down (well, broken) over japan, and they would fly their damaged planes north and crashland on the kamchatka peninsula.
They said that the meetings between the americans and russians were always friendly, like long lost brothers hugging for the first time (yay, that's the kind of story i like to hear) but, they said that since Russia was not at war with japan (what ?) then the american soldiers were usually put in prison for a certain amount of time before being returned to the USA.
My question...what ? I thought that russia was at war with japan too... or not? Didn't japan invade russia in WWII ? Or was that the Russo - japanese war mentioned above ?
also... about the china - war thing...
There are/were fears about china mounting an attack on america also...
Sometime after the beijing olympic games.
I guess china was studying how we carried out the first gulf war, and they continue to study how we are fighting in the second.
I dont think that china has the power (yet) to mount an attack on America. But russia, that sure is a scary thought. I think if China invaded russia, America / Britain/ Germany/Austrialia(thailand) or whatever that country china is on the brink of war with now/ Would all be against china in that war.
look how (most of) the world banded together to defeat germany in WWII, i dont think it would be any diffrent. (exept maybe, more nukes).
Oh, i bet stupid north korea would help china, but, japan could keep them busy while we do the real fighting =).
No, Japan never declared war on the USSR. IIRC it was expected, but the Soviets had a spy working high-up in the Japanese war ministry who was able to confirm that it wasn't going to happen, which allowed Stalin to leave the far east relatively unguarded and bring a whole load of fresh troops to the west to fight the Germans. After the end of the war in Europe the Soviet Union declared war on Japan, supposedly to repay the US for having (eventually) opened a second front in Europe, but not until the very last minute when it was obvious Japan was about to be defeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
Who fears this? A few hysterical Americans scared of any culture they don't understand and can't easily dominate, or some tub-thumping nationalistic politicians who need to invent a new menace to justify the US' defense budget? Or are you talking about someone with credibility?Quote:
There are/were fears about china mounting an attack on america also...
Wow, there's even a timeframe in place? :roll:Quote:
Sometime after the beijing olympic games.
yea, i read it somewhere, i forget where.
And, i guess i wouldn't call it "fears", more like "Speculation".
and yes, there was a timeline.
anf wtf is tub thumping. More british nonsensical slang :wink: :wink:
Milliticions are always speculating and planning the details of "what if" kinds of wars. A war with Canada has even been speculated with some detail too.
Well we did grab some territory from Canada and we had a relatively hostile border after all alot of them were fleeing Torres who had fought agianst us with the British and could have been combined for a joint Canadian/British invasion. so I can see having contengency plans for Canada, 150 years ago. Russia and Japan actualy were what we would consider at war ever after the Russo-Japanese "incident" and during the 1930's fought many times over the skys of Manchuria and on the ground they both had a no holds barred "war" on Russian/Manchurian border in the late 30's which lasted for 4 months right until the onset of WWII, where they both tacitly agreed to fight others, not to have peace. The Russians also earlier had kicked the crap out of the japanese in the Mongolian steps. which drived the Japanese completely out of Mongolia. Because of the bad record for japan interms of fighting the Ruskies in mongolia and manchuria (specifically its Rusian border) the Japs opted out of joing Hitler in his invasion of the soviet union( Op. Barberosa) and later urged Hitler to sign a peace treaty with Soviets, which would have included Japanese concessions to the Soviets(maybe the Kuril islands, etc)
An often overlooked cause for the Japanese hardliners surrender was not the Automic Bomb, but the stunning succes of Russia in the last week of the war in sweeping the japanese out of both Manchuria and Korea. Taking a wopping 1 million Japanese POW's and getting sweet revenge for 1905 by taking back the kuril islands. The hardcore Japanese officers were scared of a full Russian occupation versus an American one. The cold war would have been different without Japan in western hemisphere influence.