Thread: North Korean strike timed?

Originally Posted by Hanna

The Koreans should be left to sort out their differences without any meddling by any other country. I neither support North Korea, nor would I wish it to be overthrown. How the Koreans live in their own country is not my problem.

I can't agree more.
USA interference only fuels the conflict between two Koreas, and the image of N. Korea as evil country is blown out of proportion. I also don't particularly like that USA keeps ruining other states by breaking them into pieces in the process of "peacemaking."

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

USA interference only fuels the conflict between two Koreas, and the image of N. Korea as evil country is blown out of proportion. I also don't particularly like that USA keeps ruining other states by breaking them into pieces in the process of "peacemaking."

WTF? Was it US who cut the peninsula into two pieces? The US was the one who tried to keep the commie cancer off the other part of the country after it had been cut. The whole nation of South Korea should say thanks to the US for not being rabbits looking for grass for their dinner.

Hanna,

If the purpose of you writing these posts is to vent, then vent away. If the purpose is to get your comrades up in arms then continue to do so. "IF" the purpose of your posts is to change American minds you have now gone down a road that will do the opposite. Before this post even started i was willing to concede we (the US) needed to close most our bases around the world. You can check under a different view of the US...or something like that....one of my post was near the end. You are now changing my mind in the opposite direction. I am beginning to think we need those bases to protect ourselves from people like you. And i suspect if someone was on the fence you have shoved them to the side you dont want them on.

Its your call thou. I believe in free speech, and dont want you to feel silenced.

Originally Posted by Nerms

Hanna,

If the purpose of you writing these posts is to vent, then vent away. If the purpose is to get your comrades up in arms then continue to do so. "IF" the purpose of your posts is to change American minds you have now gone down a road that will do the opposite. Before this post even started i was willing to concede we (the US) needed to close most our bases around the world. You can check under a different view of the US...or something like that....one of my post was near the end. You are now changing my mind in the opposite direction. I am beginning to think we need those bases to protect ourselves from people like you.

So, basically USA need all those bases around the world to protect USA from Swedish girls, who don't like militarists?

I've been in North Cuba and I know it doesn't work.
Turn in your Che Guevara shirt and be done with the classless society garbage.You would be better off drinking heavily with me and Ramil looking for UFOs. (Yes, I'm still looking forward to that)

I disagree with everything you say but the UFO smiley is very funny.

Originally Posted by capecoddah

I've been in North Cuba and I know it doesn't work.

Aren't you breaking American law by going there? Or did you go to some US controlled island nearby, rather than Cuba itself?

So you "know" it doesn't work? On what basis? On the grounds that there aren't enough McDonald's and big gas-guzzling cars? Not enough commercials on TV and super-obese people walking the streets? No American airbase just outside the capital?

People are NOT starving in Cuba, they have no drug wars like in Mexico, better organized than Haiti or Jamaica ever were, no beggars like elsewhere in South America, low crime, free decent education and free health care. No sweat-shops like elsewhere in Latin America. They even dropped the death penalty.

Some say a society should be judged on how it treats its poor and needy: In Cuba, anyone is guaranteed a job, a roof over his head, free medical care and free good education, suited to his abilities.

One of the main reasons that it still a poor country is that the worlds largest economy, and their neighbour, has done its' best to strangle their economy, for what, 50 years? Economic blockade etc. And even tried to invade their country! Maybe you should look closer to home before you criticize Cuba!

The people there overthrew one corrupt government before, and no doubt they will do it again if they get sufficiently unhappy! Personally I would guess that perhaps they are comparing their situation with the rest of Latin America, and with the experience of Eastern Europe in the 1990s. And based on that they prefer to keep the status quo for the time being despite the problems.

They still have their dignity as an independent country and there is good hope that things may improve in the future. I understand people are really well educated there and that can only be good for the country. Apparently they also started co-operating with Venezuela which has plenty of oil.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I disagree with everything you say but the UFO smiley is very funny.



Aren't you breaking American law by going there? Or did you go to some US controlled island nearby, rather than Cuba itself?

So you "know" it doesn't work? On what basis? On the grounds that there aren't enough McDonald's and big gas-guzzling cars? Not enough commercials on TV and super-obese people walking the streets? No American airbase just outside the capital?

People are NOT starving in Cuba, they have no drug wars like in Mexico, better organized than Haiti or Jamaica ever were, no beggars like elsewhere in South America, low crime, free decent education and free health care. No sweat-shops like elsewhere in Latin America. They even dropped the death penalty.

Some say a society should be judged on how it treats its poor and needy: In Cuba, anyone is guaranteed a job, a roof over his head, free medical care and free good education, suited to his abilities.

One of the main reasons that it still a poor country is that the worlds largest economy, and their neighbour, has done its' best to strangle their economy, for what, 50 years? Economic blockade etc. And even tried to invade their country! Maybe you should look closer to home before you criticize Cuba!

The people there overthrew one corrupt government before, and no doubt they will do it again if they get sufficiently unhappy! Personally I would guess that perhaps they are comparing their situation with the rest of Latin America, and with the experience of Eastern Europe in the 1990s. And based on that they prefer to keep the status quo for the time being despite the problems.

They still have their dignity as an independent country and there is good hope that things may improve in the future. I understand people are really well educated there and that can only be good for the country. Apparently they also started co-operating with Venezuela which has plenty of oil.

I reread your post, Hanna, having come up with a single argument: they get paid $15 a month.

If you have counter-arguments, you are welcome.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I reread your post, Hanna, having come up with a single argument: they get paid $15 a month.

So, if you bomb them a little, it will solve the problem?

Originally Posted by it-ogo

So, if you bomb them a little, it will solve the problem?

Their economy doesn't work because something's stopping it. If something is destroyed, that might start solving the problem.

Eric C.

I reread your post, Hanna, having come up with a single argument: they get paid $15 a month.

Maybe you should do it again (reread)? How can they earn more if there is "Economic blockade"? I'm against communism but your point isn't fair in that conditions.

Originally Posted by Romik

Eric C.

Maybe you should do it again (reread)? How can they earn more if there is "Economic blockade"? I'm against communism but your point isn't fair in that conditions.

Are you saying if you cant trade with the US then its impossible for you to earn more? Other people trade with Cuba...just not the US. As is our right to decide who we wish to barter or not barter with.

It does not guarantee the result. While she exists you can not feel safe. You have to kill all those people like her until they did not kill you. Then you should settle a control over all who remained and check each month with lie detector, and if they suddenly start to support dictators or hate US, kill immediately. This is the only way to save democracy.

I do not subsribe to that belief. You say i do, but you would be wrong. I will safer with my gun and my eye on those who hate the US. This is called planning for the worst and hoping for the best. Until such a time that i feel the hatred towards the US is gone. And dictators such as Kim, Castro, and Chavez are no longer the proxy weapons of those who hate us.

Sweden – United States relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is the evil relations we have with your country. Here is what you are throwing away. Why would we force you to follow chineese financial policy? I doubt even we follow any such policy.

Here is your hero in action
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | North Korea refuses US food aid
maybe the BBC is a pack of liars

North Korea Food Aid Revived, Without U.S. - ABC News
U.S.: N. Korea rejects American food aid - World news - Asia-Pacific - North Korea - msnbc.com
AFP: US willing to resume food aid to North Korea
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/wo...a/18korea.html
VOA | North Korean Defections Continue Amid Food Shortage | News | English
US working on food aid plan for North Korea | Reuters
here is more evil doing..and i dont think you are right about the US having cut off food aid to N Korea even recently i believe we are one of the few left that is still giving them food. which i dont agree with.

Its very unlikely we would invade. For one we are to busy elsewhere. Two our ecomony is in the toliet. Three the chineese would never allow it. We would end up taking on the whole chineese army. Our military is 500,000 with 250,000 tied down. We would be outnumbered at least 10 to 1. Its more like we will tit for tat at some point. Sink one of there vessels etc.

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Here is a symbol of injustice or maybe its propaganda...im not sure when your indoctornation started. They try to leave and our shoot in the back. Why didnt the US oppose this unification. Seems like it would be in the US interest to me.

Here is more recent take on it.
Floating Cubans


International Rescue Committee | The International Rescue Committee goes to crisis zones to rescue and rebuild. We lead refugees from harm to home.
Are they liars as well.

North Korean Prison Camp Escapee Tells of Horrors, Worries About Those Left Behind - washingtonpost.com
are they liars.

Crossing Heaven’s Border ~ Helping North Korean Defectors | Wide Angle
are they part of the propaganda machine as well

He's got a point here. US's feeding North Korea more than anyone else (with possible exception of China).

[trolling mode on]
Or it could also be that US is so afraid of North Korean nuclear weapons that it's willing to give food to them so they wouldn't attack.
[trolling mode off]

Seriously though, I think that the only thing that's stopping US from invading North Korea is a military defense pact signed between North Korea and China.

the nuclear information project: withdrawal of US nuclear weapons from South Korea
for those that incorrectly believe we have nukes in S Korea.

And for those who dont know
Japan finally confirms secret nukes pact with U.S. - Washington Times
And for those that think that i only put what makes the US look good out there. Or that i am blind to everything and unreasonable.

Nerms: Either the school system in the USA is even worse than I thought, or you are being stupid on purpose...

Are you not able to to see that there is a difference between;

1) dislike, dissatisfaction AND
2) hate

and then

1) Dislike of a country's foreign policy VERSUS
2) Disliking a country itself VERSUS
3) Disliking all people of a particular nationality.

I really only dislike the USA's foreign policy.... the rest of what I said was just to tease you a bit since you were being really silly.

The US foreign policy is dictated by American corporate interests, not by the will of the American people. (They don't even know where countries like Vietnam, Honduras and Iraq are located.... And I doubt they could give a good explanation as to why the USA needs airbases in Spain or Germany). The same business interests that manipulate US foreign policy also manipulate US mass-media, since they own most of it.

Sure, there are alternatives, which is good, but most people only read what's easily available and then take it at face-value. That's why so many Americans have the incredibly narrow-minded view of the world that you have. In Europe people are more exposed to different types of opinions, through access to the media of neighbouring countries, and thanks to contrasts between state media and privately owned media.

I think the USA as a country has many good points - things that I would like to see more of in Europe. I think that Americans (for the most part) are open, friendly and outgoing. Please believe me when I say that I don't wish any harm at all to the USA or it's people!

I just would very much like:
1) That they US closed down it's military bases in Europe and
2) That it stopped meddling in the affairs of other countries, through sanctions, covert operations or war and occupation.

.... and then just a little bit more humility on the part of some American citizens when they visit international internet forums.

But basically for the US to behave like a normal country rather than "the country to rule them all".

I can't understand why this viewpoint is so provocative to some Americans, such as yourself.

Originally Posted by Hanna

I just would very much like:
1) That they US closed down it's military bases in Europe and
2) That it stopped meddling in the affairs of other countries, through sanctions, covert operations or war and occupation.
....
But basically for the US to behave like a normal country rather than "the country to rule them all".

Hanna, they just can't do that. The US goverment need this foreign policy to support the qurrent Status Quo: the USA consumes more than 1/3 world resourses (while the USA population is less than 1/20 of world's population) and pays for these resourses with green paper that actually cost nothing.