Thread: Moscow, May 6th clashes on Bolotnaya square during "The Millions March"

Originally Posted by Ramil

Печально то, что в КПРФ сейчас нет коммунистов Ну, тех, про которых я читал и смотрел фильмы в детстве. Вот я за тех, а не за этих.

I think this is true in most countries. The Communists in Western Europe concern themselves with things like feminism, supporting homosexuals and anti-racism, primarily..... not so much social justice and anti-imperialism. There are less intellectual people that are Communists. I can't take them seriously.

I have a colleague who says he is a Communist. It is essentially his way of expressing the fact that he hates the European Union, idolizes the USSR and considers Cuba to be a nice place for a holiday. But he is even more clueless than me when it comes to marxist ideology etc.

Some simply abandoned the ideology when it became unfashionable in the 1990s, some became cynics and stopped thinking it was for the better. Many people who might have been communists are simply more interested in computer games and beer than class struggle and unionism...

If some visionary came along and revitalised and revised Communism, then I might consider it. I still think it's the nicer ideology - but it's got some gruesome acts on its conscience and was eventually (for better or worse) rejected in those countries that tried it. Another problem is that Communists usually only come into power through a revolution...

I wonder what Lenin would do it he suddenly came alive in his tomb? Turn his back on this ideology in disgust... or come up with some brilliant way of adapting it to the 21st century and digital age....

Originally Posted by Hanna

I think this is true in most countries. The Communists in Western Europe concern themselves with things like feminism, supporting homosexuals and anti-racism, primarily..... not so much social justice and anti-imperialism. There are less intellectual people that are Communists. I can't take them seriously.

In Russia it is even worse. The so-called "communists" are endorsing Orthodox Christianity to even greater extent than the other parties (Zuganov promised to build many new churches in his presidential campain TV advertizing). They are also poisoned with anti-Semitism and nationalism (there were several scandals when top party officials were even criminally prosecuted for anti-Semitism). Their program calls for a legally defined special role for ethnic Russians. They are definitely anti-Gay and endorse strict Christian values. They also endorse Russian monarchy and seeking reconciliation with monarchists. The program of CPRF was written by Alexander Dugin, a former member of neo-Nazi group "Pamyat" and self-described fascist, but even Dugin (especially recently) seems moderate compared to some "Communists".

Originally Posted by Anixx

In Russia it is even worse. The so-called "communists" are endorsing Orthodox Christianity to even greater extent than the other parties (Zuganov promised to build many new churches in his presidential campain TV advertizing). They are also poisoned with anti-Semitism and nationalism (there were several scandals when top party officials were even criminally prosecuted for anti-Semitism). Their program calls for a legally defined special role for ethnic Russians. They are definitely anti-Gay and endorse strict Christian values. They also endorse Russian monarchy and seeking reconciliation with monarchists. The program of CPRF was written by Alexander Dugin, a former member of neo-Nazi group "Pamyat" and self-described fascist, but even Dugin (especially recently) seems moderate compared to some "Communists".

Wow, they sound really mixed up!
Conservatism, religion and Christian values = Communism ?!!!

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, they sound really mixed up!
Conservatism, religion and Christian values = Communism ?!!!

This is because CPRF (Communist Party of Russian Federation) is not a continuation of CPSU. CPSU has been disbanded in early 1990s.
As you know all other Soviet republics except Russia had their own communist parties, because possible Russian Communist party was considered dangerous due to Russian nationalism. CPRF was created only after perestroika in the late 1980s as a Russian separatist/secessionist party aimed against central Soviet authority. They supported the secession of the Russian Federation from the USSR, they also voted for the dissolution of the USSR in the Supreme Council.

The party ranks from the very beginning were occupied by nationalists and Russian traditionalists. After the dissolution of CPSU they remained the only Russian party which was "Communist" in name.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, they sound really mixed up!
Conservatism, religion and Christian values = Communism ?!!!

Протоиерей Михаил Ардов: Русская Православная церковь создана Сталиным по образцу КПСС.

http://www.newizv.ru/society/2011-08...ail-ardov.html