Thread: Moscow, May 6th clashes on Bolotnaya square during "The Millions March"

Печально то, что в КПРФ сейчас нет коммунистов Ну, тех, про которых я читал и смотрел фильмы в детстве. Вот я за тех, а не за этих.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Печально то, что в КПРФ сейчас нет коммунистов Ну, тех, про которых я читал и смотрел фильмы в детстве. Вот я за тех, а не за этих.

I think this is true in most countries. The Communists in Western Europe concern themselves with things like feminism, supporting homosexuals and anti-racism, primarily..... not so much social justice and anti-imperialism. There are less intellectual people that are Communists. I can't take them seriously.

I have a colleague who says he is a Communist. It is essentially his way of expressing the fact that he hates the European Union, idolizes the USSR and considers Cuba to be a nice place for a holiday. But he is even more clueless than me when it comes to marxist ideology etc.

Some simply abandoned the ideology when it became unfashionable in the 1990s, some became cynics and stopped thinking it was for the better. Many people who might have been communists are simply more interested in computer games and beer than class struggle and unionism...

If some visionary came along and revitalised and revised Communism, then I might consider it. I still think it's the nicer ideology - but it's got some gruesome acts on its conscience and was eventually (for better or worse) rejected in those countries that tried it. Another problem is that Communists usually only come into power through a revolution...

I wonder what Lenin would do it he suddenly came alive in his tomb? Turn his back on this ideology in disgust... or come up with some brilliant way of adapting it to the 21st century and digital age....

Originally Posted by Hanna

I think this is true in most countries. The Communists in Western Europe concern themselves with things like feminism, supporting homosexuals and anti-racism, primarily..... not so much social justice and anti-imperialism. There are less intellectual people that are Communists. I can't take them seriously.

In Russia it is even worse. The so-called "communists" are endorsing Orthodox Christianity to even greater extent than the other parties (Zuganov promised to build many new churches in his presidential campain TV advertizing). They are also poisoned with anti-Semitism and nationalism (there were several scandals when top party officials were even criminally prosecuted for anti-Semitism). Their program calls for a legally defined special role for ethnic Russians. They are definitely anti-Gay and endorse strict Christian values. They also endorse Russian monarchy and seeking reconciliation with monarchists. The program of CPRF was written by Alexander Dugin, a former member of neo-Nazi group "Pamyat" and self-described fascist, but even Dugin (especially recently) seems moderate compared to some "Communists".

Originally Posted by Anixx

In Russia it is even worse. The so-called "communists" are endorsing Orthodox Christianity to even greater extent than the other parties (Zuganov promised to build many new churches in his presidential campain TV advertizing). They are also poisoned with anti-Semitism and nationalism (there were several scandals when top party officials were even criminally prosecuted for anti-Semitism). Their program calls for a legally defined special role for ethnic Russians. They are definitely anti-Gay and endorse strict Christian values. They also endorse Russian monarchy and seeking reconciliation with monarchists. The program of CPRF was written by Alexander Dugin, a former member of neo-Nazi group "Pamyat" and self-described fascist, but even Dugin (especially recently) seems moderate compared to some "Communists".

Wow, they sound really mixed up!
Conservatism, religion and Christian values = Communism ?!!!

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, they sound really mixed up!
Conservatism, religion and Christian values = Communism ?!!!

This is because CPRF (Communist Party of Russian Federation) is not a continuation of CPSU. CPSU has been disbanded in early 1990s.
As you know all other Soviet republics except Russia had their own communist parties, because possible Russian Communist party was considered dangerous due to Russian nationalism. CPRF was created only after perestroika in the late 1980s as a Russian separatist/secessionist party aimed against central Soviet authority. They supported the secession of the Russian Federation from the USSR, they also voted for the dissolution of the USSR in the Supreme Council.

The party ranks from the very beginning were occupied by nationalists and Russian traditionalists. After the dissolution of CPSU they remained the only Russian party which was "Communist" in name.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Wow, they sound really mixed up!
Conservatism, religion and Christian values = Communism ?!!!

Протоиерей Михаил Ардов: Русская Православная церковь создана Сталиным по образцу КПСС.

http://www.newizv.ru/society/2011-08...ail-ardov.html

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Have the demonstrators presented an agenda or a set of objectives or demands?

Originally Posted by Hanna

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Have the demonstrators presented an agenda or a set of objectives or demands?

This time the demonstration was purposly obstructed by a chain provocations organized as many think by the authorities. Look on the picture Ramil posted eralier. You can see a row of policemen in helmets perfectly equipped. When I went to the December meeting which included much more people than in this time. And in December there were only ordinary dressed city policemen and we could leave the meeting whenever we wanted. So how come a lot of soldiers appeared this time? Why?
Now you can see the row of soldiers is locking the crowd and people cannot advance to the square where speakers were going to declare. Why? Well, while on the square speakers didn't have any time to say anything because they were captured and put in prison for resistance to authority, which actually never took place.

Now in other squares as I myself could see ( as I went there for a coulpe of hours), as soon as a single word of agenda was ever uttered policemen at once captured the speakers under different farfetched reasons: no right to share with your food and water for example.

And finally, when people just kept silence policemen all the same captured them for the reason that you are not allowed to sleep on streets.

I find it a bit hard today to express any demands.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Печально то, что в КПРФ сейчас нет коммунистов Ну, тех, про которых я читал и смотрел фильмы в детстве. Вот я за тех, а не за этих.

"Колышется простынь, подушки летят?"

Originally Posted by Ramil

Печально то, что в КПРФ сейчас нет коммунистов Ну, тех, про которых я читал и смотрел фильмы в детстве. Вот я за тех, а не за этих.

Liberal system prevents parties that oppose private property from getting elected. If you say something against private property, you will loose all money you could get from business. Without getting money you cannot advertise and win elections.

Originally Posted by Anixx

Liberal system prevents parties that oppose private property from getting elected. If you say something against private property, you will loose all money you could get from business. Without getting money you cannot advertise and win elections.

Well, that does not necessarily mean "prevents" it just means the parties which oppose private property should get their money from the other sources, not from the private business.

Originally Posted by Anixx

Liberal system prevents parties that oppose private property from getting elected. If you say something against private property, you will loose all money you could get from business. Without getting money you cannot advertise and win elections.

This too, of course, but I meant something else. I think, it-ogo understood me perfectly:

Originally Posted by it-ogo

ВОЕННАЯ ЛИТЕ ?

There're no such people in CPRF right now. In fact, I don't think such people exist elsewhere either.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Печально то, что в КПРФ сейчас нет коммунистов Ну, тех, про которых я читал и смотрел фильмы в детстве. Вот я за тех, а не за этих.

ВОЕННАЯ ЛИТЕ ?

Originally Posted by it-ogo

ВОЕННАЯ ЛИТЕ ?

Ну, ты меня завёл.. Ладно, вот наш ответ Керзону:

Есть в нашем времени обычном,
То, что не описать пером...
Как нам пространственно-привычно
В континууме временном!

А между тем, гордясь штрихами,
Дверные наши косяки
Взрастили то, чего стихами
Не мыслили большевики.

Они не знали, что Застоем
Гордится будем мы порой.
И что Трубу себе построим.
И думать будем о второй.

И что дороже Днепрогэса
Нам станут жвачка и джинса,
И социального прогресса -
На адидасах полоса.

Что калькулятор, ошарашив,
Напишет строгое ЕГГОГ.
И что слиняет много наших
Из Занавеса под шумок..

Что Чебурашкой станет манга,
Что перестанем пить втроём,
Как встретим уроженцев Ганга,
И код индусский их поймём.

И что такие многостишья
Мы можем долго продолжать..
И что колбасное затишье
Заменит кузькину нам мать.

В другие мы родились годы
Нас твёрдый шаг не потрясал.
Звон-дымы рухнувшей природы
Другие мысли навевал.

Мы с "дипломатом" шли по жизни:
В полосках синих полувЕр,
Со знаком качества Отчизны,
С клеймом "мадЕ в СССР."

(с)

Originally Posted by Crocodile

А между тем, гордясь штрихами,
Дверные наши косяки
Взрастили

убойная метафора

Originally Posted by LXNDR

убойная метафора

Мерси. Рад, что тебе понравилось.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Мерси. Рад, что тебе понравилось.

так это собственного сочинения?

Originally Posted by LXNDR

так это собственного сочинения?

Ну, разумеется. Я же там специально (ц) поставил, чтобы сомнений не было. Не веришь, попробуй погугли.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Что Чебурашкой станет манга,
Что перестанем пить втроём,
Как встретим уроженцев Ганга,
И код индусский их поймём.

Круто! А что за индусский код нам довелось постичь
Затмение мозга, ничего кроме кривого софта в голове не "всплывает".
http://lurkmore.to/Индусский_код

Originally Posted by diogen_

Круто! А что за индусский код нам довелось постичь
Затмение мозга, ничего кроме кривого софта в голове не "всплывает".
http://lurkmore.to/Индусский_код

Дык, оно и есть. Наш брат исправляет сии художества по мере возникновения.