Thread: Korean Airlines Flight 007 survivors and other alleged conspiracies

Originally Posted by Marcus

Насколько я знаю, погиб обслуживающий персонал - руководители не пострадали. Возможно, они хотели пожертвовать только незначительными, с их точки зрения людьми.

I don't know where the line is drawn between "обслуживающий персонал" and "руководители". What I do know is that the victims of the WTC attacks included people from illegal-immigrant restaurant workers to millionaire executives with "Vice President of..." titles, and many different levels of middle-class workers in between.

Originally Posted by Marcus

Один вопрос всё равно остаётся без ответа: какие цели преследовали террористы?

Х*й его знает, the terrorists are all dead and we can't ask them what their motivations were -- for example, did they really believe that this was the logical first step towards the establishment of a Global Caliphate, as many American conservatives claim?

However, one can suggest some more general answers:

(1) They simply wanted to "prove that it could be done", by succeeding where the 1993 truck-bombings in the WTC had failed;

(2) They hoped that the attacks would symbolically humiliate the USA, and also weaken it economically;

(3) They hoped that others would imitate their example, and encourage others to attack America;

(4) They hoped that a weakened USA would be forced to remove its military bases from Saudi Arabia and to stop supporting the Saudi regime, so that they (the terrorists) could take political control of "the holy peninsula";

(5) They truly believed that Allah would reward their efforts in the afterlife.

All of these are possible explanations even if you reject the theory that "a huge global network of Al-Qaeda jihadists is working to establish a worldwide caliphate because they're still angry about losing Andalusia"...

Not so much "melted" as "softened"

У металлов кристаллическая структура, и они не размягчаются перед плавлением. Лёд же тоже не размягчается.

Originally Posted by Marcus

У металлов кристаллическая структура, и они не размягчаются перед плавлением. Лёд же тоже не размягчается.

Осторожно, двери закрываются. Следующая станция -- «Кузнецкий мост»!

Originally Posted by Marcus

У металлов кристаллическая структура, и они не размягчаются перед плавлением. Лёд же тоже не размягчается.

I have a torch and forge that disagree. "Crystallization" or Heat Treating Steel (Quenching, Tempering, Annealing) takes some effort. Mild steel and medium carbon steel do not have enough carbon to change their crystalline structure and cannot be hardened and tempered. Structural steel is considered "mild Steel".

Sorry. Sometimes the blacksmith in me comes out.

ЗЫ: From this useful website:

Metals lose about 50% of their strength at 60% of their melting temperature. This is common knowledge and may be found in any undergraduate text regarding "Fracture and Deformation of Materials."

If the approximate melting temperature of steel is 2750 F [1510 C] then the material would be plastic at 1650 F [900 C].

And also:

the Popular Mechanics article (and NIST report) mentions that pockets of the World Trade Center reached 1800 degrees F [980 C]. This would put the steel temperature in those locations at around 1600-1700 degrees F [870-930 C] , which is far above the 1100 degree F [590 C] mark that steel loses 50% 40% of its structural integrity.

The second quotation contains a slight error, which I've corrected in red. You can easily Google for yourself to confirm that 1100 F [590 C] is widely considered by firefighters to be a critical "failure" temperature for structural steel in buildings, although the loss in strength at this point is only about 40%, and the 50% loss in strength occurs closer to 1650 F [900C]. But in either case, the maximum temperatures in the WTC fires were even hotter, although still much less than the melting point of steel.

По-видимому, кампания дезинформации ЦРУ настолько распространенная, что участвуют в ней и металлурги и пожарные инженеры!!!

Next story: Hollywood "put a man on the moon".

One of my Russian "kids" was adamant that it was American propaganda.
Another one said "It happened, my Grandfather watched it happen". Apparently he was connected with the Soviet space program and was privy to the reports of telemetry, radio, etc.