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They're just jealous that you've got the largest country.....;):angel: and all the natural resources they are talking about in the film.
I just wondering how they managed to explain to the people who watched this movie how the russians are bad guys.
They did not have to explain much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
To see the answer start from 7-20 but the whole interview is very interesting.
Интервью Эриха Фромма телеканалу ABC (эфир от 25 мая 1958) - YouTube
How is it 'Hollywood propaganda?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria123
The Bolsheviks were the enemy. You are talking about an interview with Erich Fromm who was a communist sympathizer. He admired Marx etc.
You have flawed thinking which is ironic.
Can't edit? I just wanted the post to be more suggestive than critical. I was hoping you would elaborate on your post, Maria.
If you ask me, the USA and their Governments have been pushing towards socialism for decades. People who want it will get their wish in due time.
The critique against Russia is more of an act than anything else. Imho.
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Originally Posted by 14Russian
I do not care if he is Marx or Smith's sympathizer... "A communist sympathizer" is just another cliché, which you were taught to consider faulty. Have you ever read Marx yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by 14Russian
I used mr. Fromm analysis in answer the initial post, where Russian were shown in a positive way. A cold war arrived in few years. And after WW2 US propaganda started to show a very different picture. As far as I understand the question was how could it happen that people accepted the change so fast?
In my veiw mr. Fromm gives a clear answer, which is very close to truth. Besides, we have a very similar situation in Russia now, which he sad. Moreover, if you have seen the interview till the end, you might have noticed that his forecast for Russia and US future is also coming true. And it has nothing to do with Marx (Ihmo his views is more close to anarchist than socialist).
And in fact I do admire the Americans of 1958, who were giving the word to the dissidents, which never happened in my country.
Maria
Generally, most of those anti-Russia movies (which tried to introduce Russians as bad guys) were made during the Cold War (like the original Red Dawn), at which point Russia and the US were no longer allies, but instead enemies.
But it's very sad that, Still, some directors can't understand that the cold war is over.
For example, i was watching Desperate Housewives TV series, and some episodes made me so so disappointed =>
We All Deserve to Die (TV episode 2010) - IMDb
My Two Young Men (TV episode 2010) - IMDb
Chromolume No. 7 (TV episode 2010) - IMDb
You can watch it, or read the summary in IMDB ( which i have linked )
It is for 2010, and "still" they try to show us, Russian girls as gold diggers, without-soul humans or in other conclusion "bad" .
Come on MISSFOXYSWEETCHERRY, don't we have mass media, which shows Americans in a bad way?
The Cold War ideology is a good lever for both country's politicians. So I don't think they will abolish this practice soon.
As to our present cinema it is just drifting somewhere between Nikolay II Romanov and the early Boris Yeltsin, studying the dust of consumption, crime, and Cinderella scenarios, which is just boring.
"The Battle of Russia" was made by Frank Capra in 1943 as part of the "Why We Fight" series (5/7). They were shown to primarily US servicemen. Why, yes, I've seen them all in a film class.
It gives a history of Russia AND WHY WE WERE FIGHTING WITH THEM AGAINST THE NAZIS!
It's Pro-Russia.
Desperate Housewives? :wall::wall::wall:
Yes it is Pro-Russia.
The initial question was how did they managed to explain to the people who watched this movie how the Russians are bad guys (in the next Cold War period I believe).
In my view the key answer is psychology. And mr. Fromm interview (Интервью Эриха Фромма телеканалу ABC (эфир от 25 мая 1958) - YouTube) gives an analysis, which seems to me close to truth.
But in fact people here talk rather of what they consider important around the theme, than answer the question of Basil77.
I hate Housewives too. =@
axaxa, True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria123
But Maria, honestly there are some (maybe even a little) Russian films which were shown the Americans with dignity.
But (maybe it's my bad!!) I've never watched any American movie which shows Russians with dignity.
And also, it annoys me, cause "some" people believe all of these movies. -sigh-
MISSFOXYSWEETCHERRY, some people believe that the Earth is flat...so what?
The fact is that people don't want to think themselves any more, and politics use it to a high degree.
But I rather more worried about a possibility of losing the educational system in Russia. That is what really dangerous... and creates multiple flat Earths.
:)) Maria, it's very good for learning modern-English and useful Slangs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria123
So, you are not fully fluent in English and you think you understand that video?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria123
Cliché?!? So, what makes you qualified to determine what I am taught? :) If I am taught anything, I'm "taught" to think critically and try to apply logic as best I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria123
You're talking about a MSM TV network that uses a 'liberal' (read: left-wing) TV anchor to CAREFULLY CRAFT questions to a socialist psychoanalyst. I'm sure he's exploited the system he criticizes to become quite affluent. This is all to dull the senses of the audience and portray this 'black and white' situation. They omit all the intangibles. Not only has every single one of the socialist systems failed but the accusaton that capitalism per se is responsible solely for this decay or that it is so simple to make the sweeping generalization without any evaluation or analysis is the real propaganda. There's a general push towards this fascist socialism in every country and it's what should be discussed.
Goverments use the corporate world to establish it but no one is debating or discussing this on national TV.
Not really. There's tons of other shows out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MISSFOXYSWEETCHERRY
I wonder why some countries are provided some of the worst shows out there but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. If it's an online source, then my question converts to why choose the worst ones.
First of all, i am not provided, so yes, i choosed myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by 14Russian
And excuse me, everyone has their own individual taste.
I like it, and i watch it.
Not only i have watched Desperate housewives, i also have watched Grey's Anatomy and Prison break, cause "in my idea" they seemed intresting and helpful.
And i think, "i" should say which program helps "me" more.
Please respect yourself, and respect everyone's idea/taste.
From: The Battle of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Basil77
"In order to justify the Western Allies alliance with the Soviet Union, the episode, like the entire Why We Fight series, misportrayed or simply omitted many facts, which could have cast doubts on the "good guy" status of the Soviets, such as the Nazi-Soviet alliance, Soviet invasion of Poland; Soviet occupation of the Baltic States, Winter War and others.[1] Virtually in line with the Soviet propaganda, the series was not only screened but widely acclaimed in the Soviet Union.[2] To exonerate the Soviets, the series casts even cast less important Allies, like the Poles, in the bad light.[1][2] The episode has been described as "a blatant pro-Soviet propaganda posing as factual analysis."
I think the "keeping" Eastern Europe might have been a factor. Maybe the Berlin Airlift/ Wall too.
to 14Russian
В огороде бузина, а в Киеве дядька....
Где Ваш-то ответ на вопрос?
to capecoddah
Do you mean that they used the fact of keeping Eastern Europe and Berlin Wall to change people's opinion towards Russia?
Fromm - BBC interview and a lecture: My Top Videos - YouTube
Also an interesting person Victor Klemperer and his work related to observations about propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_Tertii_Imperii we can see some of what he talked about working today.
Thanks
Sounds interesting, I never knew that British also used concentration camps... But I don't think it will be possible to find Victor Klemperer's book in Russian.
You don't study well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria123
After World War 2, USA slowly gave control back to the occupied areas. France, Italy, etc. USSR kept everything.
USA slowly let Japan go.
Communist China Invaded South Korea (With USSR technological help "Mig")
So, 2 WW@ "Allies" went on an expansionist tear.
USA said "HEY! You shouldn't do that!"
And we fight proxy wars.
Is anyone innocent?
HET
If you think the USA is a "Colonial Empire",
go here:
RT
I don't want this topic to get political. (Thanks Basil!) :good:
Just in case let me place it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by capecoddah
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Originally Posted by capecoddah
I am asking questions because I want to know your opinions, not the description of the events, to which, by the way, I do agree...
And I do not understand why it is so difficult to answer them... without getting defensive.
Also "Colonial Empire" it is your term, I never said so. And I am not interested in discussing Colonial Empires or innocence of the politics. On the contrary, I assume that the politics is dirty.
I just still got no answer how (not why)...? Except for mr. Fromm's...
I'll try to explain.....Well, for instance, it is about 20 years now since USSR has gone, but our Government is still unable to convince the majority of people that one -ism is better than the other -ism (I do not want a discussion on -isms or why America/Russia is good or bad). Yet in case of US transition of majority from "one attitude" to "a contrary attitude " went very fast. So my question is how did it happened (or how did they managed) that people accepted the change (adopted the contrary attitude) so fast?
To capecoddah
Because
a. You don't study well...
b. "HEY! You shouldn't do that!"...
c. you think the USA is a "Colonial Empire"... is nice but still gives no answer.
I am rather asking on sociology or psychology of the phenomenon...
If you have any other idea, please, give me the reasoning (other from mr Fromm's) behind it... or a link to a video/text which explains it.
d. ?
It seems that your last post on William Schaap (William Schaap - Part 1/8 - The Media, CIA, FBI & Disinfo. - YouTube) has disappeared somewhere.... Funny, isn't it? But your info really adds to the picture. I just wonder why they decided to open the info to the general public? Probably it is not very relevant any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraph
Thanks again.
I guess it became an 'unpost' ) The info was open to public, because it was actually in a trial, legal proceedings in a wrongful death law suit. Lots of info is available, but it suffers the fate of 'selective inattention' .
In Russia they would say that the trial is a state security issue and would make the materials secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraph