Actually, this question is mostly for EU citizens. Some countries of former USSR is going to join EU. What do you thing about EU? How do you estimate you decision to join EU now?
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Actually, this question is mostly for EU citizens. Some countries of former USSR is going to join EU. What do you thing about EU? How do you estimate you decision to join EU now?
I think is very positive that new countries joining Europe soon. Lastly, the idea of Europe was devaluaded. European Governments has not been able to get a unique voice in importants issues like Iraq war. That is the problem of the Europe in general, an economic bigger market but in contract is unable to taking decision quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BETEP
Countries like Poland, Slovenia, Checkia, and others were influenced by Soviet Union but they has never left to be part of Europe and their situation are much better nowdays than Democratic Germany in its moments. Latvia, Letonia, and Lithuania were wellcome to dismatle of the Soviet Union,.
Economicaly, that means a bigger market, a workforces cheaper. Companies from these countries have to be able to compete in a bigger market, so unfortunately many of them will be dismatled. On the other hand, Multinational Companies will see an nice opportunity to cut cost in worksforces.
An Europe Union also mean a more security for all of us.
I think it is a great advantage of Europe the ability of independent politics. The EU does not take away this one right now but who knows--. The big market is good but you forgot about economic situation and problems of new members. The joining is good (for example) for Germany because Germans will export goods to the new members. In other hand, workers from the new member countries cannot work in old member countries without a work permit (it seems, except Ireland). What the new members are going to get after the joining? Definitely, it is a rise of prices and destruction of manufacturing structure because an ability of market protection will be destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Actually, Poland, Slovenia, Czechia, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I don't think that the less salary is an advantage--Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Why!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I am European citizen and in 2000 I had worked in London during the summer. Nobody asked me for a permission in order to be able to work.Quote:
workers from the new member countries cannot work in old member countries without a work permit (it seems, except Ireland).
I had met many people who were worked in the ilegal labour market but they were not european citizen. I was working during the summer as waiter in elderly residence, cleaner, hang out propaganda. that is the job which you can find there if you dont speak a accuratelly english and you are not a united kigndow citizen.
Anyhow, I have any idea about the current situacion.
I disagree with your opinion, nowadays to control the index of the prices is the main variable in order to get a prosperous country because in contract if it leaves rising the price without control at the end that will be as a tax for richer and poor people. Because then the goods, thing only will be bought for richer people. It is able to think that earn more money, a bigger salary is much better but it s a trick.Quote:
rise of prices and destruction of manufacturing structure because an ability of market protection will be destroyed.
It could be true prices of goods is an important variable which is taking account for companies when have to invest their money. But more prices dont mean more profits.
In Europe, there were two ethnic incidents bosnia and Kosovo. At least the last one has able to avoid a genocidius.Europe is not the panacea and is not perfect but at least is somethingQuote:
more security for all of us. Why
No need to use the future tense here. They have been dismantled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I mean, that Solidarity of Poland revolutionized the country because it wanted higher wages and better life for the shipyard workers. The result, the shipyards are being closed down, and the workers are joining the army of the unemployed. And thanks to the little-publicized conditions of the EU membership, they will not be able to move freely within the EU and find jobs there. Not to mention the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end?
Then you must go to Kosovo right now and tell them, or they may miss the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
The shipping company is being closed here as well as other countries in Europe. Right now others countries from Asia are able to build ships cheaper. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by bad manners
I dont think so. Agricultural goods from Poland will be cheaper than other members, so they will be bought in Europe.Quote:
the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end
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Unemployed rates not have to be decreased. On the contrary, Ireland, Spain, Greece the poor brothers it is already rising.
It being forgotten that many European companies has already moved their factories to these countries. Not all are going to be disavantaged.
Fortunately, Nato troops were deployed there since the beginning of the conflict. The mayority of the troops are from Europe. Since the conflicts begun any bad new has been heard . So I dont undestand your comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by bad manners
The Asian countries may even give away their vessels for free, the European countries will still be buying European made ships, because of the customs. But there are no customs within the European Union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I dont think so. Agricultural goods from Poland will be cheaper than other members, so they will be bought in Europe.[/quote:qo7czfqb]Quote:
[quote:qo7czfqb]the agricultural sector of Poland that will be consumed by the Big Brothers. So what do the Poles receive in the end
You should familiarize yourself with the subject. The old EU countries will continue to subsidize their agriculture, while one of the chief conditions for Poland's admission to the EU was to cut their subsidies to the Polish agricultural sector. So (say) the Netherlands will have the luxury of selling their crops at well below the market price, while the Poles will not.
I don't understand yours, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I think so, the Spanish crops easily push out the Polish one from European market. The famous Danish strawberry is in the past right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
First of all, NATO is not a UN and all the more so is not EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
The troops were deployed when conflict has been burned. And what they did? Do you know what were bombers doing after take off in Italy?
Is it a main goal of EU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
[quote=bad manners]I don't understand yours, either.[/quote:1rzvid8v]Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Hey now, tolerance tolerance. There's been a lot of news in Spain this month: no time in the evening bulletin for retributive ethnic cleansing down Balkan way.
I have to look for the information but I think Spain is not a big producer of crops. The second part is right. But if someday the strawberry from Morocco is much cheaper then ours will be push out as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BETEP
When in 1985 Spain joined Europe many goods which were produced by farmers, basically from France, had subsidies during many years so that could avoid their losser.
you are right . According to the last report from the agriculture situation in Poland the crops as well as other products has been decreased.
Exctract from the EU document which is talking about the agriculture in Poland
"Currently, cereals use nearly half of the agricultural area of 18.4 million ha......Poland, therefore, has a vast potential for rye production in an enlarged Union and could possible grow more rye than Germany, the main rye producing country in the EU-15."
http://europa.eu.int/comm/agriculture/e ... poland.pdf
In my opinion Europe and Nato forces reacted on time and genocide was avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BETEP
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I would like to give my opinion about the terrible terrorist attack that happened in Madrid . Otherwise I read carefully all posts Madrid but subject has already turned into Chechenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by joysof
You are right. But you should not forget that Poland has imposed its conditions as well. Of course, Europe is the big brother and it is able to impose its conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by bad manners
I would just like to know what conditions Poland has managed to impose on the EU. So far, I am aware of only one: "The Poles are to be considered second-class EU citizens". This may be something for the twisted Polish ego, but what about economy and policy making?
Was it? How do you explain the fact that ever since NATO established itself in Kosovo, the Serbian population there has been monotonically decreasing? And that Serbian houses and churches are burning in Kosovo as we speak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Usually, big brother gives something to his little brother but EU only plays a part of an equal partner's union. The American model of union are more just because each state has equal rights and any man born in the US has equal rights to each others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
As far as I know to join EU has been taken by Poland and 9 countries without any imposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by bad manners
The last Interconferences celebrated in Italy, European Constitution was not aproved because of Spain and Poland. Sometimes, the voices of the poorer brothers were heard of.
Poland among others is going to receive the Funds which helping to change its structure productive included (agriculture).
I believe you when you are talking about these events are happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by bad manners
Which are your proposals to solve the Kosovo conflict ??
you are suggested the Nato forces should go back
Right. Helping her dismantle her heavy industry completely and helping her farmers grow less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
I never suggested that NATO should go back. It should not have invaded Kosovo, and above all it should not have supported separatism in the Balkans in the nineties, but now that it is there, it should do something about the discrimination of the Serbs and the dangerous nationalism (to put it mildly) of the Kosovars.Quote:
Which are your proposals to solve the Kosovo conflict ??
you are suggested the Nato forces should go back
And I'd say that it ought not to have tried to throw such diverse ethnic groups into one big country anyway. If they'd have each had there own territories to begin with, there would be a more clear cut solution to the violence.
Would you explain how they managed to live peacefully together between mid-forties and some nineties?
I don't think it would be possible for each ethnic group in Europe to have some private territory. Your suggestion was implemented in the USSR once, when some ethnic groups were relocated by Uncle Joe. That indeed greatly reduced ethnic frictions in the Caucasus -- till those ethnicities returned (those frictions were nothing compared to what they have in the Balkans, though). This cannot be done in Europe, simply because there is no extra land here; and because those ethnicities would hardly go anywhere willingly (neither of which was a problem in the USSR). So they have to co-exist peacefully, just like they did 15 years ago.
I guess it was easier for them to live together when they had a strong government, and a stable economy, but now all of that is gone.
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Which are your proposals to solve the Kosovo conflict ??
you are suggested the Nato forces should go back
Just for clarification's sake: NATO, leading as it does the Kfor operation, has never left. As such, there's no 'go back' about it.Quote:
I never suggested that NATO should go back.
Just for clarification's sake: NATO, leading as it does the Kfor operation, has never left. As such, there's no 'go back' about it.[/quote:3w2jfstq]Quote:
Originally Posted by joysof
I actually assumed that "go back" meant "leave Kosovo". I know that NATO is there.
Nato forces are still in Kosovo trying to avoid a war and its behaviour must be imparcially but it is no easy. It could be Serbs has a historial rights over the territorials but on the other side the mayority population are albanians.
Nato forces are protecting Serbs as well as Albanians and there are extremist group in both sides.
If the Nato had not sent its troops there In my opinion the situation would be worse.
There are a lot of equally opinionated guys at the farce that has been going on for years at The Hague. Lately, though, it has been becoming increasingly clear that it is just that, farce.