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В Москве остановлены продажи новых автомобилей 35 брендов

Из-за стремительного обвала рубля продавцы автомобилей уже не ограничиваются повышением цен. Один из крупнейших столичных автодилеров, Major Auto, приостановил продажи во всех своих автосалонах. Как долго продлится этот внеплановый мораторий, ясности нет.



Прогнозы для автодилеров в России звучат пессимистично...
Падение курса рубля и лихорадка на валютном рынке начинает все сильнее бить не только по покупателям, но и по автодилерам. Из-за финансовой нестабильности приостановил продажи машин один из крупнейших российских автодилеров Major Auto. Информация об этом изначально появилась на ленте агентства ТАСС, но корреспонденту АвтоВестей ее уже подтвердил сотрудник одного из автосалонов Major. Решение затронуло все 35 брендов, продукцией которых торгует компания.
Напомним, 16 декабря курс доллара на московской бирже в какой-то момент достиг 80 рублей, а евро перевалил за отметку в 100 рублей. Таким образом, полученная дилером за иномарку сумма в рублях при пересчете в валюту оказывается близкой к себестоимости, а то и меньше ее.
Как сообщил ТАСС, продажи автомобилей приостановлены на срок от 1 до 3 дней. Сотрудник же автосалона сообщил АвтоВестям, что предсказать срок "заморозки" чрезвычайно сложно.
Стоит напомнить, что из-за падения рубля многие автопроизводители уже не раз переписывали российские ценники на машины. И похоже, это еще не финал: в начале 2015 года ожидается вторая волна роста цен на автомобили.
Компания Major Auto основана в 1998 году и является официальным дилером 35 автомобильных марок. В Московском регионе компания имеет 63 филиала, также открыто 6 филиалов в Санкт-Петербурге. По данным Forbes, в 2013 году выручка холдинга составила 88 млрд руб.

(В Москве остановлены продажи новых автомобилей 35 брендов - АвтоВести - новости, тест-драйвы, фото и видео : В Москве остановлены продажи новых автомобилей 35 брендов)

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

Решение затронуло все 35 брендов, продукцией которых торгует компания.

Bad time for any import seller in Russia. They would have to go. There is going to be a domino effect pretty soon on European economies that trade with Russia. Although they won't suffer as much still there is quite a risk, considering that the EU is balancing on the recession edge

Originally Posted by Eric C.

"Those who don't steal (UKRAINE) aren't afraid of police patrols...

^ FTFY

The west demanded that Russian troops withdraw from the border... after the unconstitutional coup of the legally elected, democratic government...

More on-topic:
Prices are rising in the US faster than normal. Especially food. We live in one of the least (if not the least) populated regions in the US where the prices are the lowest in the US.
Apartments that were leased for about $800 / month last year are now leasing for $1,500 / month this year. Fortunately my parents are owners, not tenants, but I do know property owners that lease and their prices.
My new TV that was selling for less than $200 was more than $300 when I got it this year. Food prices surprised everyone. The closest estimate dad could make was a 35% rise since last spring.
And my new hiking boots that were advertised for $94 cost $160 when I got those.

So nobody can tell me that the stupid sanctions aren't affecting the US. They are. Dad said it's normal for prices to increase each year but these increases are not normal.
At the last OPEC meeting, the Saudis claimed they could survive $60 / barrel for about 1 year. They didn't say how long they could survive prices below that - definitely not for a whole year. The oil prices will go back up.
But "The end"? That's laughable.
A better title woulda been "The big temporary dip".
And yeah, I know that dip won't be easy for a lot of people - here and especially in Russia. But it will end.
In the US, the new Sanctions / Lethal Aid bill (that Congress pressured Obama into signing, btw) is totally reprehensible and disgusting but it only gives Obama the power to do those things (it doesn't force him to do it) and he doesn't seem very willing to. Good.
But I'm not an economist so I don't really understand the recent plunge in the ruble - I just hope it gets fixed really soon.
And don't forget, the purpose of the sanctions is "Regime change in Russia". So don't forget what happened the last time "Regime change" happened (1990's).
Anyway, I'm happy to see that Russia is diversifying it's economy. I hope it can find ways to prevent this from happening again.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Anyway, I'm happy to see that Russia is diversifying it's economy. I hope it can find ways to prevent this from happening again.

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...


Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

I don't live in Russia so I only know what I read and what people say.
Anyway, one of my dad's friends is a landlord and he talks about leases, my parents discuss food prices, and the new TV and the boots are mine so I know how much they cost. But I don't drive so there's no reason to look at gas prices.
Tbh, I don't have a clue how much gas costs. We almost never stop at a station and, when we do, I don't read the signs because the pumps are always at a convenience store and all I wanna do is go in and get a coke or something.
When I know how much gas costs, I'll post that too but first I'll need to find out how much it cost last year. I don't know that either but I can ask.
Btw, why so negative? Imo, the only way to solve issues is being hardcore and positive.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

Btw, why so negative? Imo, the only way to solve issues is being hardcore and positive.

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

Oh boy...

What I say is based on a clear understanding of reality. Nothing more or less.

I intentionally didn`t comment one of your earlier comments.

"It is clear that Russia FINALLY wants to start creating businesses.
It won't be easy and there are many things to overcome but it's a start."
(The end.)

Now, what was that, I`m sorry?

Did we have any obstacles for doing this BEFOREHAND? During the last 10 years?

Promises are great, promises like "sanctions are a god`s bless, finally our own producers won`t be supressed by europeans and we`ll be able to begin producing our own food... just in three months". What we see in reality? Food prices went up 20-25 % and more, we consume the majority of the same goods, coming to Russia from non-EU states.

Because it takes years to learn the technology of growing smth.
I`m not even talking about heavy industries (if it is what you meant under "businesses").

I`ll post one video here. Don`t think though that I`m a big fan of tovarisch Potapenko



But he is 100% right.
Posessing large businesses in three countries is definetely not a way of your "fatalist".
But nevertheless he means exactly what I`m trying to explain.

Don`t have illusions about Russia. Spread the correct understading among those nationals who are still haven`t lost the ablitity to think. Leave patriotic "we`ll deal with that just like always" behind.

That`s not the usual crisis.

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

So, your rationalization is that Russians have an inherent defeatist mindset which leads them to follow a leadership who doesn't care about them but sends the country into collapse?

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA?

Gasoline prices by state - CNNMoney.com

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

He's a naiive kid who doesn't know anything about Russia.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

^ FTFY

The west demanded that Russian troops withdraw from the border... after the unconstitutional coup of the legally elected, democratic government...

More on-topic:
Prices are rising in the US faster than normal. Especially food. We live in one of the least (if not the least) populated regions in the US where the prices are the lowest in the US.
Apartments that were leased for about $800 / month last year are now leasing for $1,500 / month this year. Fortunately my parents are owners, not tenants, but I do know property owners that lease and their prices.
My new TV that was selling for less than $200 was more than $300 when I got it this year. Food prices surprised everyone. The closest estimate dad could make was a 35% rise since last spring.
And my new hiking boots that were advertised for $94 cost $160 when I got those.

So nobody can tell me that the stupid sanctions aren't affecting the US. They are. Dad said it's normal for prices to increase each year but these increases are not normal.
At the last OPEC meeting, the Saudis claimed they could survive $60 / barrel for about 1 year. They didn't say how long they could survive prices below that - definitely not for a whole year. The oil prices will go back up.
But "The end"? That's laughable.
A better title woulda been "The big temporary dip".
And yeah, I know that dip won't be easy for a lot of people - here and especially in Russia. But it will end.
In the US, the new Sanctions / Lethal Aid bill (that Congress pressured Obama into signing, btw) is totally reprehensible and disgusting but it only gives Obama the power to do those things (it doesn't force him to do it) and he doesn't seem very willing to. Good.
But I'm not an economist so I don't really understand the recent plunge in the ruble - I just hope it gets fixed really soon.
And don't forget, the purpose of the sanctions is "Regime change in Russia". So don't forget what happened the last time "Regime change" happened (1990's).
Anyway, I'm happy to see that Russia is diversifying it's economy. I hope it can find ways to prevent this from happening again.

I hate buck inflation, and you're right - anything that is higher than 4% a year is NOT ok.

As for the ruble - it's just an asset, and its value is dependent on the financial rating of the issuer (i.e. Russia), which is now kinda going down the drain. The fall of the prices of the most (if not only) strategical resource, unreasonable foreign & domestic policies (including the infamous ban on imports), etc. are all creating a pretty shady image for the country, which immediately affects its financial rating. We can wait and see if it's going to start changing to the better at some point, but it's obviously impossible without some global refactoring on the way that country is doing its business.

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Russia is on of the most powerful exporting economies globally.
It's economy's dependency on oil prices is massive, but no one can claim that other countries are in a better position.
Other countries (especially North Europe and the Baltics) are doomed to be dependent on the exports from other countries.
Even during this huge crisis with the extreme decrease of incomes these countries were unable to reduce their imports.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

He's a naiive kid who doesn't know anything about Russia.

So yeah, I don't know everything about Russia or even the US but I do know a lot about people and a lot about life.

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's Russian mindset. Fatalism prevails, mostly comes from personal experience. Can't blame people who survived so many crises: USSR collapse, Chechen wars, Default of 1998, World crisis of 2008 and now this.

Thanks but that's still too easy. I can say it's the American mindset but I'm not Kerry or Obama and they don't think anything that I think.
And it's the American mindset if one of my friends can't play an online game and rage-quits. But I keep fighting and I win.
I think it;s the same with the Russian mindset. So maybe some Russians can be fatalist but others don't quit and they win. Don't forget, it was Russians that won the Sochi Olympics and it was Russians that won Crimea.
Русские не сдаются.

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

You have got no idea what you`re talking about...

Btw, what about petrol (gasoline...) prices in the USA? I`ve heard they are literally like never been better.
Why don`t you mention that?

I browsed all of the photos I shot since 2010 and I could only find one photo with a gas pump. That was last summer. So I went back today and took another photo. Here's what the prices were. Btw, it was the same pump so it's the same type of gas.

24 Июль 2014 год:



18 Декабрь 2014 год:



So yeah, the difference is $1.12 USD. But if the gas that's used to deliver products got cheaper then why are the products way more expensive?
Btw, most of the stuff we buy here is made in other countries, even the food. It's very rare to ever see anything that was made in the USA. So America has the same issues with too many imports.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I hate buck inflation, and you're right - anything that is higher than 4% a year is NOT ok.

As for the ruble - it's just an asset, and its value is dependent on the financial rating of the issuer (i.e. Russia), which is now kinda going down the drain. The fall of the prices of the most (if not only) strategical resource, unreasonable foreign & domestic policies (including the infamous ban on imports), etc. are all creating a pretty shady image for the country, which immediately affects its financial rating. We can wait and see if it's going to start changing to the better at some point, but it's obviously impossible without some global refactoring on the way that country is doing its business.

Well, at least new movies haven't changed up much. I got Transformers "Age of Extinction", Star Trek "Into Darkness", and The Hobbit "Desolation of Smaug" for less than $50. But 20 oz cokes are $1.50 now ($1 last year) and Trollies are $1.99 ($1.69 last year) and they don't even have the worms (just Tropic-O's and Bears). I bought these when I shot the photo of the gas pump today.



Dunno what the asset and issuer thing's all about but yeah, they definitely nned to get all that refactored or whatever. Putin needs to have some serious discussions with the global financial leaders and learn what he can do that will save the ruble without seriously messing up Russia. There's gotta be a way to do that.

P.S. Россияне активно скупают товары. Чуют, что на прежней зарплате плазма в новом году не станет шире, а кухня новее.

Yes, people try to get rid of roubles. What they are supposed to do with 4 new huge TV sets?
Foreigners (guests from Kazakhstan) participate in the campaign, too. They are purchasing apartments... What will they do with them ?

Originally Posted by maxmixiv

Yes, people try to get rid of roubles. What they are supposed to do with 4 new huge TV sets?
Foreigners (guests from Kazakhstan) participate in the campaign, too. They are purchasing apartments... What will they do with them ?

Dunno about the TVs but people still need a place to live.... They will rent them out? Perhaps, they anticipate inflation in rental fees?

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Where has he said he takes full responsibility? Or any responsibility? Find me one site, whether Western or Russian or any source.

He blames the West for part of it and low oil prices but never takes any responsibility at all or talks about his policies. He makes a vague reference in that video regarding 'heads of state' but that's it.

He also looks like he's going on full nutso mode:
Vladimir Putin in bizarre rant accusing the West of 'ripping out' Russia's claws - Mirror Online

Crisis, what crisis? Putin's marathon news conference - CNN.com

Putin blames Western sanctions for economic crisis | Fox News

Putin speech sparks more ruble volatility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q5KBPHxkP4

zOOmg! You post one UK and three US media links and you didn't expect Putin to appear full-on nutjob? Ой, как смешно!
If you really wanted to know, you shoulda checked out President Putin's Q&A session. There was a live-feed article for that in Rossiyskaya gazeta.
But with 4 western links and a 29 second quip from Live News, what did you expect?
To see the other side of the story:
рубль Путин

About the 29 second quip from Live News - You don't have to be an economist to understand Forex Trading. And with a plunging ruble that can be serious profits when the ruble rises again.
Forex Trading

I totally do get why Putin and the Central Bank stopped propping up the ruble. I mean, why lose valuable assets when a huge plunge can create seriously profitable currency exchanges. It's a Russian gold mine, right now, for Russia.

EDIT:
Also this.
http://www.rg.ru/2014/12/19/sankcii-site.html

If those EU sanctions get lifted then the ruble value will definitely rise.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

zOOmg! You post one UK and three US media links

Blah, blah, blah...too much nonsense from your reply....enjoy Putin's speeches about bears.

They will rent them out? Perhaps, they anticipate inflation in rental fees?

Probably so. But apartments are very expensive, it will take ages to cover spent sums.

Originally Posted by Serge_spb

15.12.2014 Monday
Time 19 hundreed.
Somewhere in Russia...

77.8 Rub \ Eur
62 Rub \ USD
RTS 718 (- 10 % )

After everything Russia's been through in your lifetime, is this really what you call "the end"?
I realise it's scary and incredibly frustrating for normal people whose money lose their value.
Russia hasn't been treated fairly by the West at all. But those really suffering are those in Eastern Ukraine.

Seriously, Serge, in 3 years time, you will be on the beach in Crimea, drinking Pina Colada with a very expensive electronic gadget in your hand, and the Russian flag over your head. You will smile as you remember this. That's my prediction.

The sad part of this is, where will a certain neighbouring brother country of Russia be? They'll be on their knees in debt to the IMF, Washington and exploited by the EU. That's the real tragedy in this.

So don't lose track of the bigger picture.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right?
Now everyone's children get a tiny taste of what people went through in Russia, in the 1990s.