Quote Originally Posted by Ramil View Post
Yes, you seem to forget that I AM a religious person,
No, no - I remember. But I thought you were arguing as if you had forgotten! I know it, because I do the same thing

Quote Originally Posted by Ramil View Post
Take me to your dealer. Mixing them all together....
Not at all! The mix was on purpose. Was too tired to think it through properly, the names popped into my head and I thought, why not those?

Because really, you wouldn't have any problem at all finding 10 million people to sign up on each one of the people I mentioned, as being a freedom fighter.

The trouble is: One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist or criminal! It's a hard balance. For example: Mahatma Gandhi was considered a terrorist by the British for a long time. Likewise David Ben Gurion who founded Israel. Hated by a billion moslems... a terrorist according to Britain for a decade... but a freedom fighter to the Israelis and Jews around the world.

The people I mentioned are considered heroes and freedom fighters in their countries and terrorist by others. Lenin: A hero to millions still, right? But a murderous tyrant according to others. It depends on where you are, your background and what time you live in... who it is politically correct and generally "safe" to call a freedom fighter or a tyrant. Jesus was executed for committing crimes against Roman laws, and agitating people against Rome. The PC view AD 30, was that Jesus was a troublemaker who deserved to die. (and how shocking that sounds now!)

And as we know, the winners always write the history!

Personally I think that anyone who is directly responsible for killing civilians is a gangster!
Certainly that includes Umarov.

But a more Politically Correct list of freedom fighters (according to the Nobel committee - so any complaints or jokes can be directed at them instead of making fun of me!): Aung San Suu kiu, Yassir Arafat. Andrei Sakharov, Barack Obama and the Dalai Lama.
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