If a man and a woman meet each other and they are both lost (i.e. they got lost), then is this how they would say it....?
Мужчина: Я заблудился!
Женщина: Я тоже заблудилась!
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If a man and a woman meet each other and they are both lost (i.e. they got lost), then is this how they would say it....?
Мужчина: Я заблудился!
Женщина: Я тоже заблудилась!
Everything is ok in your example, but I would say we can do without exclamation marks.
Ok! Thank you very much, yet again! :)
For some reason I couldn't find this word in any of my "normal" sources (Wiktionary, Gramota or Mail.ru..)
You shouldn’t have edited your original post, it was extremely hilarious. How could you do that to us? :cry:
Пьяная немецкая лётчица заблудилась в небе.
Пилот самолёта Сесна, пьяная немка, заблудилась в небе.
never knowing it yourself you’ve made up a pun here and a very funny one at that, reminiscent of theQuote:
Пьяная Неметская пилот(ка?)
Пилот = pilot It doesn’t change with gender. If a pilot is female you’ll have to switch to лётчица or add to a пилот some gender defining word like say a female pilot’s name пилот Катя, пилот Иванова, or in some other way, for example она была хорошим пилотом.Quote:
Осенью лебеди со своими лебёдками улетают на юг, в тёплые страны.
Пилотка = military headgear, a cap soldiers wear during warm seasons
Лебедь = swan
Лебёдка = winch, windlass, hoist
Haha..... :)
Well.. It just felt really stupid... Even though it was silly it was a serious question... But I worked out parts of it myself eventually....
Now I am going to read your response carefully and try to learn from it...
Thanks Alex!!! :rose:
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EDIT: Ok, now I've read it... Gosh, my original post was very stupid!
It's tricky in Russian that it's almost impossible to "improvise" like I can do with some languages that I have studied but can't speak very well.
In Russian, if you don't know it.. You haven't got a chance of improvising and getting it right...
THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION :good:
I'd like to add that "лебедка" does have the meaning "a female swan." )
Я бы хотела добавить, что у слова «лебедка» есть значение «самка лебедя». )
http://s48.radikal.ru/i120/0911/62/f24c3b94b989.gif
Но, например, в «Сказке о царе Салтане» было использовано слово «лебедь»:
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Глядь — поверх текучих вод
Лебедь белая плывет.
http://lib.ru/LITRA/PUSHKIN/saltan.txtQuote:
Лебедь белая молчит
И, подумав, говорит:
Все, замолкаю, Юханна и так наверняка уже запуталась. ))Quote:
Originally Posted by Толковый словарь русского языка. С. И. Ожегов, Н. Ю. Шведова.
It wasn’t stupid, it was funny. Don't be so cruel to yourself and to us by extension. Do it again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Johanna
http://www.foma.ru/fotos/tass_363714.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by alexB
:wink:
Yeah, that's the one.
Haha, can you blame me for feeling stupid!
After 6 months of studying Russian (not to mention actually studying it in school for a while as a kid), the best I can come up with is something like
"A drunked military hat was flyed lost"
Oh dear!!!!
I am not giving up though!
Had planned to study German at the same time as Russian, but Russian is just so hard that there is no room for anything else at the same time...
By the way, the word пилотка is in fact related to pilots. It was part of their uniform and the form of this headhear became known as пилотка.
Hm, since we all learn here, I have to add that this word has recently (or not too recently) became a part of the young men slang with quite a rude meaning :) I shoudn't probably have mentioned this, but this way you would know what's wrong if somebody starts laughing after hearing this word in some obscure context.
Well, I did try to put it as mildly as I could. The funny part is that your original message was correct (in a manner of speaking). :lol:
I was going to say that, adding that people write that word with "e," not with "и" (!) but when I tryed to find the photo of the cap called "пилотка" in Google Images, there were some pictures of genitals... Very few though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
So, Johanna, your sentence could sound even worse than "A drunked military hat was flyed lost." ) You know, the first syllable in this word is unstressed...
Какого таланта лишится олбанский язык, когда Юханна подтянет свой русский. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Johanna, I didn't see the original message, only the words that alexB posted, but it seems that you butcher the language in the way that some natives on the Internet do. ))
The substitution of e instead of и was a result of Манефеста антиграматнасти and падонкаффскаго йазыка. I learned 'that other meaning' when I was in the army when манефест had not yet existed.
А, вот как. )
Hmmm.... In English I am more up-to-date than most women on such expressions, since I usually work only with men. After a while they forget to "censor" themselves... But I guess Zaya, Lampada etc did not know about that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Well it could have worked! швед, шведка.....
Or maybe this never works for professions (jobs).
Anyway -- I appreciate the explanations a lot!
I am sure there IS some kind of logic to how the male/female words are constructed, I just don't know enough to see it yet.
What do you mean? Is it important if we know it or not? Well, actually, you have already written about this, so at least I already know it. )))))Quote:
Originally Posted by Johanna
Why have you mentioned Lampada? She wrote nothing in this topic.
Oh - "пилотка" is apparently a rude word!
I guess it means someting sexual...
In my experience, "ladies" don't usually know such words, or at least they do not use them... So it was a compliment on your character, nothing else! :)
I don't know about Russia, but in England it is NOT a good idea for a woman to use rude words... In fact, the general principle is that men are not supposed to swear when they are around women. Respectable women do not use certain words which are more or less ok for men to use.
Or perhaps "пилотка" is a famous slang word that everybody knows?
I got the impression from Ramil's post that it was an unusual slang word..
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EDIT: Oops, sorry Zaya! I guess if even English Wiktionary knew the slang meaning of this word, then you did too.. :roll: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BF...82%D0%BA%D0%B0
Ok, let's not talk about this word anymore. :oops:
Oh, of course I don't use it. :lol:
I saw it used in this meaning on the Internet only but I believe what Ramil says.
I don't understand you again. I just see no connection between these statements.Quote:
Oops, sorry Zaya! I guess if even English Wiktionary knew the slang meaning of this word, then you did too.
Let's drop it, it doesn't matter! I first got the impression that it was an obscure slang word, but clearly it's a famous slang word... The joke's on me and I finally got it... Oh well...
Одна лётчица: Starbuck из "BATTLESTAR GALACTICA"
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/i...starbuck_l.jpg
Другая лётчица: Amelia Earhardt
http://tacomafilmclubannex.files.wor...ia_earhart.jpg
Лётчица или.... "Космонавтка"??? (surely this is not also a rude word....) :lol:
http://cr4.globalspec.com/PostImages...38E7CE7CDE.jpg
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In my experience, "ladies" don't usually know such words, or at least they do not use them...
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in England it is NOT a good idea for a woman to use rude words...
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Oops, sorry Zaya! I guess if even English Wiktionary knew the slang meaning of this word, then you did too.
I have already written everything I know about its using. I can add that in this meaning the word is very rude. But I don't think I should be ashamed that I wrote about that meaning here. Or that I know about it. I don't use such words and I wasn't going to recommend you to use it. ))) I just wanted to warn you (I believe that it's always better to know which words are not to use except the cases when you are sure they sound 100% ok and can't mean anything bad in the context, to know that the word someone has used in your presence is bad etc.). And neither Ramil nor I wrote anything unacceptable. I didn't even say what exactly the word means, I just wrote the word "genitals," it's a medical term, isn't it? It was you who posted the link with rude words (Russian and English ones). http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0911/89/52c180299a20.gif http://s15.radikal.ru/i188/0911/6f/f232bcd5a486.gifQuote:
I first got the impression that it was an obscure slang word, but clearly it's a famous slang word...
P. S. By the way I also know what it means to work when all of your colleagues are men.
Zaya, you're confusing Johanna more and more this way.
Johanna, there's nothing wrong with this word. You CAN use it referring to a headgear and nobody would raise an eyebrow no matter how prude people surrounding you would be.
Only, as Zaya said, this word is also a slang euphemism for a certain part of female body.
There's more, you can also use this word to describe a woman whose mental abilities raise certain doubts or whose temper had seen better days.
This is why your original post was so funny.
It was something like 'The drunk b.tch got lost!' (well, almost, but ruder).
Older people would use another word though which is probably even ruder, but this is a subject of another thread.
As for the female pilots you cannot say летчица about an astronaut. It would be женщина-космонавт. There's no shorter alternative, i'm afraid.
Check this Russian wikipedia article - there's женщина-космонавт.
It's total news to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
Of course it's ok to use the word referring to a headgear, nobody denied it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramil
:shock: I still think it would sound very rude.Quote:
There's more, you can also use this word to describe a woman whose mental abilities raise certain doubts or whose temper had seen better days.
Yes, it would. That's the point. :D Some even add 'Тупая ...'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaya
Returning to the topic, there are more examples, here:
1) Футболка (a t-shirt)
2) Футболистка (a female football player)
Professions which mainly used by men have not feminine gender:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johanna
пилот
врач
директор
сантехник
слесарь
механик
администратор
менеджер
судья
юрист
адвокат
милиционер/полицейский
and so on...
You forget old Russian word пилотесса (from French? "pilotesse")! It was popular 100 yeas ago and can be used at present time with a slightly poetic meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexB
Thanks delog, :rose: for the list of professions that cannot be made female.
There are professions that can be made only by female. The nouns for these professions don't have masculine variants:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johanna
няня, швея...
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1% ... 0%BD%D1%8C :)
Children can do this easily. There's even a movie Усатый нянь. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Полуношник
:no: Неправильный список.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johanna
Если "пилотесса" слово чуть устаревшее, то "директриса" бывает практически в каждой школе!
Concerning the word космонавт and its impossibility of being of a female gender. Here's a joke:
Учительница в школе спрашивает детей, кто кем хочет стать, когда вырастет. Кто-то говорит "банкиром", кто-то "бизнесменом", кто-то "политиком" (в общем, их ответы отражают современную реальность). Когда доходит очередь до Вовочки, тот мнётся и не хочет отвечать. Учительница говорит ему:
- Ну что же ты, Вовочка, не отвечаешь? Скажи, нам интересно. Всякие профессии нужны в нашем обществе...
- Ну ладно, только вы будете смеяться.
- Да не будем мы смеяться, обещаем.
- Ну ладно, я хочу стать космонавтом.
- Ну что же тут смешного, -- отвечает учительница. -- Раньше многие дети хотели стать космонавтом, это была их мечта. Да и в наши дни это замечательная профессия, ведь космонавты такие известные, все их уважают.
- Да нет, вы не совсем поняли -- женщиной-космонавтом...
Thanks propp!
I am so pleased because I was able to more or less understand the entire story!!!!!
:yahoo:
I only missed the last line - why does he want to be a female cosmonaut - he's a boy, right? And why is it funny?
I mean, the female cosmonauts were respected, right?
I only know of one though - Tereshkova. But she is very famous and respected, isn't she?
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Originally Posted by Johanna