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Hi guys!
I wrote a sentence in Russian "Я поеду в Руссие", and a friend of mine said it was wrong because the correct is "Я поеду в Руссию". She tried to explain me, but I got confused. There´s a preposition (в), so won´t I have to use prepositional case?
Thanks in advance.
The preposition "в" can be used with both Accusative and Prepositional cases. When it's used with Accusative, its meaning corresponds to the meaning of the English prepositions "into/to": to go to the store - пойти в магазин, to put the pen into a box - положить ручку в коробку; it implies moving into some place. When it's used with Prepositional, it's like using the preposition "in": I'm now in the store looking for some food for dinner - я сейчас в магазине, ищу продукты для ужина; the pen's lying in the box - ручка лежит в коробке. In this case it implies being in some place (within a certain space).Quote:
Originally Posted by renataf
Thanks a lot Eric, now I got it. :thumbs:
Вы едете в Россию.
For nouns that end in -ия the prepositional ending is -ии not what you wrote.
Я прожил в России месяц.
Note that the "prepositional case" is (sometimes) called by that name NOT because it's the only case that ever uses prepositions, but because it's the only case that can never be used without a preposition. The genitive, dative, accusative, and instrumental cases are sometimes used with prepositions, and sometimes without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by renataf
But incidentally, some English textbooks about Russian grammar refer to the "prepositional case" by a different name: the "locative case," because one of its most common functions is to show where something or someone is located: Павел был на кухне ("Pavel was in the kitchen.")
Mind you, calling it "locative" is potentially confusing because it doesn't always describe physical location -- for example, in the sentence Я читаю статью о планете Марсе ("I am reading an article about the planet Mars."), the nouns планете and Марсе are both in the "locative" case, even though the preposition о/об ("about; in relation to; on the subject of") doesn't refer to location. But on the other hand, calling it the "prepositional" case can also be confusing, since it's not the only case that can take prepositions!
Россия.
The word Руссия doesn't exist.
I think it's either:Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
1) Я читаю статью о Марсе.
or
2) Я читаю статью о планете Марс.
"Не согласуются астрономические названия: орбита планеты Марс, мягкая посадка на планету Венера. "Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
http://masterrussian.net/f15/любимый...20/#post215900 (Последняя строчка).
@ Throbert: the prepositional and locative are really two separate cases which normally merge into one, that's why some nouns take different cases with «на»/«в» vs. «о».
Thank you guys! And alexsms I screwed up when I wrote Руссия, it´s Россия.
Интересно, что это правило действует если встречается слово "планета" или его заменитель. Без этого, всё очень даже согласуется:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
1. Мы совершили мягкую посадку на Марсе/Луне/Венере/Нептуне/Сатурне/Альфе Центавра.
Мы совершили мягкую посадку на Марс/Луну/Венеру/Нептун/Сатурн/Альфу Центавра.
2. Эллиптическая орбита Марса/Луны/Венеры/Нептуна/Сатурна/Альфы Центавра имеет дополнительные характеристики.
Не менее дополнительные характеристики имеют также эллиптические орбиты объекта удратый спутник и металлоизделия кочерга.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
You're good! :D :friends:Quote:
Originally Posted by it-ogo
А если речь идет о рецепте на какой-то торт с шоколадкой Марс(ом), тогда что -- Марс склоняется, или нет?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocodile
Seriously, "apposition" is a headache. I've been told by some Russians that one should say, for example, Здесь он цитирует абзац из романа "Мастера и Маргариты", and by other Russians that one should say ...абзац из романа "Мастер и Маргарита". Can someone settle this question for me?
The correct phrase is: Здесь он цитирует абзац из "Мастера и Маргариты" (without романа).
The clue here is the usage of роман (it can be шоколадка, автомобиль, anything). If you use роман as in абзац из романа "Мастер и Маргарита" you must not use declension, but if the word роман is omitted you will have to use any of the declensions required.
Other examples, with 'Master and Margarita' it is very illustrative:
Он шёл по аллее, зажав под мышкой "Мастера и Маргариту". (compare, Он шёл по аллее, зажав под мышкой роман "Мастер и Маргарита".)
Она стояла посреди площади и размахивала "Мастером и Маргаритой" (compare, Она стояла посреди площади и размахивала книгой "Мастер и Маргарита")
So it all depends on whether you use роман (or книга in one of the examples), the same will grammatically apply to шоколадка "Марс", etc. (it's a simple grammatical rule)
Yes, it seems simple enough to me. The New Penguin Russian course uses this example:
А: Где вы живёте?
Б: В гостинице «Россия».
А: А где живут Джон и Маргарет?
Б: Тоже в «России».
So if you use the generic name first, you don't decline the specific name.