Thread: Разные вопросы по грамматике (by Antonio1986)

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My question is regarding the Russian Irregular Verbs that change the stem on the first person Singular.
I have found the following examples:

INFINITIVE - FIRST PERSON SINGULAR
1. ответить - отвечу
2. ходить - хожу
3. гордиться - горжусь
4. видеть - вижу
5. сидеть - сижу
6. стать - стану
7. плакать - плачу
8. сказать - скажу

Are there any specific rules whether I should use ж, ч, н when I change the stem in the first person singular?
For example the verbs ending in "-дить" and "-деть" seem to transform "д" to "ж"?
Is this one rule?

спасибо !!!

This is not irregular.

This is called consonant mutation. стать does not belong in this list, different idea.


For ить verbs, first person:
д => ж
з => ж
т => ч
с => ш eg Попрошу вас...
ст => щ

For плакать and __казать verbs (and several others) the mutation is throughout the present tense. Скажешь мне ... Они плачут. etc.

Another mutation is insertion of ль.

Verbs that have ......(б п в ф м)ить insert the ль. Eg любить => Люблю ... ставить кормить etc do this.

Originally Posted by Seraph

This is not irregular.

Technically, this is true -- one needs to distinguish between "truly irregular" verbs (believe it or not, some scholars would say that Russian has only four of them *) and "verbs whose conjugations are annoying and confusing to foreigners" (of which Russian has too many to count). But from a learner's perspective, a verb conjugation like that of мочь (я могу, ты можешь...) might as well be irregular, even though strictly speaking it's not.

* Or, to be more precise, there are only four "basic, unprefixed" irregular verbs, though you can form additional verbs (with the same irregular conjugations) by prefixing. These basic irregular verbs are:

есть ("to eat")
дать ("to give," perfective)
хотеть ("to want")
бежать ("to run," uni-directional)

However, examples such as идти having the past tense forms шёл, шла... aren't counted among these "irregular" verbs -- even though for all practical purposes идти would seem to qualify as "highly irregular."

So, Antonio, that's what Seraph was getting at in saying that these "mutating-consonant" verbs are not irregular.

"verbs whose conjugations are annoying and confusing to foreigners" (of which Russian has too many to count)

But even though there are tons of these verbs, it's possible to group them into (I'm guessing) fewer than three-dozen categories, such as:

• "verbs that behave like пасть"
• "verbs that behave like давать "
• "verbs that behave like бить"

...and so forth.

Learning two or three dozen basic conjugational patterns seems like a lot, but obviously it's a lot more efficient than memorizing the individual conjugations for thousands of different verbs!

I'm not sure whether there's some kind of "sticky" post somewhere on MR summarizing all the conjugations by pattern -- does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

But even though there are tons of these verbs, it's possible to group them into (I'm guessing) fewer than three-dozen categories, such as:

• "verbs that behave like пасть"
• "verbs that behave like давать "
• "verbs that behave like бить"

please also note that пасть can be a noun with the meaning "mouth/jaws/gorge"

..."verbs that behave like бить"...

... вить лить пить шить and prefixed forms ...and verbs that behave like мыть (выть крыть ныть рыть) and prefixed forms. Пасть => красть класть.

More of the 'а' verbs that mutate throughout the present tense: писать искать резать шептать махать.

искать махать have third type of mutation, velar (first two above are dental and labial).

г => ж
к => ч
х => ш
ск => щ

This mutation is rare compared to the dental and labial mutation. Also, the velar mutation is different than the following change, but it is easy to confuse the different types of changes:
ке => че
ге => же

Originally Posted by Seraph

This is not irregular.

This is called consonant mutation. стать does not belong in this list, different idea.


For ить verbs, first person:
д => ж
з => ж
т => ч
с => ш eg Попрошу вас...
ст => щ

For плакать and __казать verbs (and several others) the mutation is throughout the present tense. Скажешь мне ... Они плачут. etc.

Another mutation is insertion of ль.

Verbs that have ......(б п в ф м)ить insert the ль. Eg любить => Люблю ... ставить кормить etc do this.

Важно спряжение, а не на что заканчивается инфинитив.

ездить? and then there's еть, in the идти group.

(исправил инфинитив)

Originally Posted by chaika

ездить? and then there's еть, in the идти group.

(исправил инфинитив)

I'm not sure what you were trying to say, forgive me if my corrections are wrong
There is no word "еть" there is a word "едь" conjugated from the verb "ездить"
The same conjugation from the verb "идти" will be "иди"

Originally Posted by Doomer

I'm not sure what you were trying to say, forgive me if my corrections are wrong
There is no word "еть" there is a word "едь" conjugated from the verb "ездить"
The same conjugation from the verb "идти" will be "иди"

Actaully, едь is a highly colloquial and substandard verb form; careful learners of Russian may want to avoid using it and stick to поезжай instead. There’s even a poem how wrong it is to use едь, etc.

Хочешь ЕХАТЬ? ПОЕЗЖАЙ!
Но не едь и не езжай.
ЗАЕЗЖАЙ и ПРИЕЗЖАЙ!
Ехай — это просто хай.

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