Thread: Запяти и причастия

I read in my grammar:
"Must be between commas:
...
* Appositions : "My aunt [I have only one], living in Moscow, brought for me a present"
Subject: 'My aunt'
Being 'living in Moscow' an explanatory adjectival sentence.

* Participle constructions (participle and the words that accompany it): "My aunt [I have several] living in Moscow brought me a present"
Subject: 'My aunt living in Moscow'
Being 'living in Moscow' an specifying adjectival sentence.
...."
The italics are my commentaries.

Since the book makes no exception, both sentences would be translated as: Т

Тётка, живущая в Москве, принесла мне подарок.
With comma only. In Russian it doesn't mater, how many aunts one has. But Живущая в Москве тётка принесла мне подарок.
And I'd rather say "привезла" instead of "принесла".

"Моя тётя" (instead of "Тётка") is much better...

Спасибо

Russians have to change the word order, as you see above, to express what we do by merely omitting the commas. In Russian the commas are required.

Russian men who drink too much die early.
Russian men, who drink too much, die early.
Two completely different meanings. So a Russian would have to say smth like Много пьющие русские мужчины рано умирают. instead of ... мужчины, которые....

Originally Posted by chaika

Russian men who drink too much die early.
Russian men, who drink too much, die early.
Two completely different meanings.

What is the difference?

Originally Posted by Indra

Originally Posted by chaika

Russian men who drink too much die early.
Russian men, who drink too much, die early.
Two completely different meanings.

What is the difference?

Вроде бы второе предложение можно перевести как императив... или нет?

Originally Posted by Indra

What is the difference?

Russian men who drink too much die early.
Russian men, who drink too much, die early.

The first sentence means that only the Russian men who drink too much die early, not all of the russian men.

The second means that all russian men die early, and makes the comment that they all drink too much.

Russian men who drink too much die early. = Те из русских мужчин, кто пьет слишком много, умирают рано.

Russian men, who drink too much, die early. = Русские мужчины, которые (к слову сказать) слишком много пьют, умирают рано.

Ух ты, надо же...

Ну я всегда говорила, что запятая - великая вещь!

Originally Posted by Оля

Ух ты, надо же...

Ну я всегда говорила, что запятая - великая вещь!

Конечно, великая... "Казнить нельзя помиловать..." Где талию будем делать?.. То бишь запятую ставить?..