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    - Юрист готовит контракт сейчас.
    (a) Он отправит Вам его, когда он будет готов!
    (b) Он отправит его Вам, когда он будет готов!

    Which sounds better?
    Чем больше слов, тем меньше они стоят.

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    (b) is more universal, can be said in any situation. default word ordering.
    We can emphasize any word during speech without reordering of words, just by tone of voice.
    But sometimes semi-rule can be used: place important (emphasized) words in first positions.
    So, situations exist where (b)-form is good, but I doubt it can be explained easily. Just read/listen natives and get used to common patterns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex80 View Post
    (b) is more universal, can be said in any situation. default word ordering.
    We can emphasize any word during speech without reordering of words, just by tone of voice.
    But sometimes semi-rule can be used: place important (emphasized) words in first positions.
    So, situations exist where (b)-form is good, but I doubt it can be explained easily. Just read/listen natives and get used to common patterns.
    Я начал изучать русский в 2012 году и ещё я не понимаю простые вещи!
    Чем больше слов, тем меньше они стоят.

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    Я начал изучать русский в 2012 году и ещё я не понимаю простые вещи!
    It's not easy things, but basic things. But they are far far from simplicity.
    Really good video is given above. Don't miss second one in the list of related things.
    It's the basics of tone/emphasizing. But subject is much more bigger.
    Commentator in the video says that order of "В Москву я приехал" is for emotioning. It's emphasizing also. Emotional emphasizing. В Москву, а не куда то еще.
    "Ушел папа" also emphasizes "ушел" in emotional way. Something is wrong with his absence. Probably it was expected from him to stay there. But despite of it he gone! And this word is emphasized by tone and reordering.
    But also it can be positive tone, not only negative. Context is important and this is really subject for books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio1986 View Post
    Я начал изучать русский в 2012 году и ещё я не понимаю простые вещи!
    И так и так говорят, но при отрицании обычно употребляется родительный падеж: "Не понимаешь простых вещей".

    Вот один пример на 0.41 по времени:
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    Either variant will do. But as a general rule you need to place explanation sentence ('когда он будет готов') right after the defined word, as the further the definition the more confusing to which word it is applicable. So, the first variant is a bit better.
    But native speaker most likely won't see the difference.

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    Almost equal, but "b" sounds better. Он отправит его Вам - you normally shouldn`t split parts like "отправит его", if this is the main sence of your phrase, "Вам" is additional...

    N.b. that "Вам" in uppercase is a popular these days though not 100% correct polite form. While "вам" is already a polite offiicial form, it is not nesessery to make it "over-polite" with uppercase all the time (it`s fine for greeting cards).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge_spb View Post
    Almost equal, but "b" sounds better. Он отправит его Вам - you normally shouldn`t split parts like "отправит его", if this is the main sence of your phrase, "Вам" is additional...

    N.b. that "Вам" in uppercase is a popular these days though not 100% correct polite form. While "вам" is already a polite offiicial form, it is not nesessery to make it "over-polite" with uppercase all the time (it`s fine for greeting cards).
    I always use uppercase with clients I don't know so well.
    Чем больше слов, тем меньше они стоят.

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