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Prostite - u menia vremenno net dostupa k russkim shriftom.
Voprosik takoi: pochemu po-russki govoriat inogda 'v' v sleduyushim kontekste?
"на маршрутках -> в маршрутках. I would say "я поеду на маршрутке/автобусе/машине" as well as "я поеду в маршрутке/автобусе/машине" but "слушать музыку на маршрутке" sounds wrong. Unfortunately I can't explain why."
I kogda ispolzuetsia "na/v russkom yazike"?
Spasibo bolshoe!
by shuttle bus, by bus, by car,Quote:
Originally Posted by ezhikvtumane
in a shuttle bus, in a bus, in a carQuote:
"я поеду в маршрутке/автобусе/машине"
because you are inside of a vehicle, but not on the top of it.Quote:
"слушать музыку на маршрутке" sounds wrong. Unfortunately I can't explain why."
generally на - on, в - inQuote:
I kogda ispolzuetsia "na/v russkom yazike"?
Spasibo bolshoe!
I think the question was when one should say на русском языке and when в русском языке...Quote:
Originally Posted by Milanya
Не претендуя на полноту ответа:
На русском языке мы разговариваем, "в" мы употребляем в случаях когда говорим о каких-то особенностях языка, например, в русском языке есть три рода.
Выражение "ездить на чём-то" появилось тогда, когда ездили на лошадях. Т.е., когда ездили действительно "на". С появлением автомобилей стали ездить "в", но выражение осталось. Поэтому ехать на маршрутке слух не режет, а вот слушать музыку (сидеть, спать, и т.д) на маршрутке режет.
Ааааа... все - поняла. Спасибо! Вы мне очень помогли. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeM
Ага. Теперь понятно! Спасибо!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesh
В те же времена, когда ездили на лошадях, еще ездили в каретах и в кибитках, на каретах не ездили.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesh
Совершенно верно. Именно поэтому и нельзя сказать (режет слух) "ехать на карете". Однако, можно сказать "ехать на телеге". Думаю, потому, что у телеги нет крыши. У первых автомобилей, кстати, крыши тоже не было. А ещё, ездили на конке, хотя крыша у неё была.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milanya
Но это уже, согласитесь, дебри.
Offtopic:
1) Why маршрутка is shuttle bus?
2) Can I use the word 'jitney' instead?
Nobody uses 'Jitney', I never heard of it before I looked up the translation of "маршутка". Shuttle bus is a better analogy, although the american shuttle buses usually gets a bunch of people onboard and then go to every stop each person wants, no matter where. It is not the route defined version as маршутка, but not that far off.
It seems okay to say either 'jitney' or 'shuttle'. The word 'jitney' is used on the East coast. There's a jitney that goes to the Hamptons.
I don't think there's quite an accurate exact translation for маршрутка because there's not quite the same thing in English-speaking countries... At least, if there are, I don't know of any!
Is maxi-taxi a familar word for something like that? Or is it just rubbish?
It's probably just the brand name of a taxi service/company. But it sounds a bit funny to me because it resembles the name for feminine hygiene products in English... :lol:
So it's really rubbish. :)
Well no, there are so-called Maxi taxis, I have been in some. It is basically a minivan turned into a taxi. But the taxi goes wherever you tell it to go, while the маршрутка goes on a predefined route...
To sum up:
Maxi-taxi: A big taxi that you would take if you have many people in your party.
Shuttle: A big van that random people would enter either at: a) different locations going to one place (city to airport) b) same location going to different locations (from airport to city) c) one location to another (airport to hotel)
маршрутка: Random people entering at different locations along a predefined route going to different locations on the same predefined route...
And as I am hearing Jitney is the same as a shuttle?
According to the following definition, "jitney" seems to be the best translation for "маршрутка":Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+jitney
I humbly agree :D
Mr. Oh-So-Humble, and do you know how far the word maxi-taxi is spread?
Well... no. I do not have the current demographic of maxi-taxi usage in the United States, or U.K. for that matter. But it is used in America. Just do a google on maxi-taxi and see how many hits you get.
Humbly,
kalinka_vinnie
Google comes back alot! And even Oslo Maxi-Taxi site. :D Unfortunately, I don't understand Norwegian.
And the results reflect brand name almost all the time. :(
Never heard of a Jitney before. Sounds like one of those names American's make up for there kids. Jitney Joe.
Anyway, in Br.Eng:
A bus - one of the things in the picutre below, that's goes round a set route, on a schedule, form of mass public transport. Like one of these. But this is a double decker bus. They are usually local, and take you around your town or city.
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~hhuynh/Lo ... %20bus.JPG
A coach is what Americans also call a bus, but to Brittishers, they are NOT the same. Firstly they tend to do long distances and you book your ticket in advance. Like you take coach tours to Europe. They are more luxurious, have nicer seats, TVs and toilets usually. This is one below. As I'm aware an American will also call this a bus.
http://www.grand-canyon-tours.biz/images/Coach%201.jpg
A taxi can be 2 things. The first is a "black cab" which are the distinctive odd shaped things. In central London where I live, especially around the shopping areas and tourist places, sometimes the only things you see on the road are fucking black cabs.
http://www.dialacab.co.uk/images/frontpagecab.gif
Theses drive around and you put your hand out to stop them, or shout "Taxi", I don't know why because the drivers can never hear you.
The second type is a minicab, which you call up in advance, then they drive out specially to pick you up. They are cheaper than "black cabs" and are just normal cars. People tend to use them for longer distances.
http://www.cqaf.com/uploads/28dj%20minicab.jpg
A tram is what Americans call a trolleybus, or at least some do, something which I found out after me and my American boyfriend almost split up over an arguement defining what a tram is. You see this alot in Europe and Russia Трамвай . We have them in the UK too. Here's a nice tram in Prague:
http://www.letsgo-europe.com/czech/prague/tram_800.JPG
A trolleybus is like a normal bus, but it is powered by over head cables and therefore can only stick to a certain route. Same as a Russian Троллейбус (sp?):
http://home.tiscali.nl/fotoboekroemenie ... edraal.jpg
I don't like them, since you get all those unsightly cables everywhere.
So, a mini-cab, eh?
Hey, are there maxi-cabs around?
You are wrong from the very beginningQuote:
Originally Posted by ezhikvtumane
When you say
Я поеду НА автобусе
it means I will go by bus, you just indicating the kind of transport
when you say
Я поеду в автобусе
it means I will go inside the bus, you indicating your position
i don't see the way why you would like to say so
I think we just call those trolleys. Anyway they only have them in San Francisco.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
This comes from someone who lives in Illinois? :lol:
I live 40 min for San Fran and they have Trolleys (the famous ones that go up and down the hills) and Trams (like the one in the picture).
Trolley in SF: http://media.thecosmeticsite.com/ima...sf_trolley.jpg
Tram in SF: http://www.trampicturebook.de/tram/c...c/07990204.jpg
They have also trams in LA and Seattle that I have seen myself first-hand. So don't you come here and tell me it is only in SF! :lol:
You haven't provided an example of somewhere other than San Francisco that has trolleys.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalinka_vinnie
I was just saying that the picture that was provided is a tram (which you called a trolley) and they do exist in other cities (something you said they didn't). That's all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackMage
I don't know about the trolleys though, I haven't heard of them being outside SF.
Yea I just realized I was looking at the wrong picture. Mr. Rogers taught me exactly what a trolley is.
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/FredRogersred.jpg
I saw trams some in Melbourne too.
I'm an AMERICAN I don't give a damn about what goes on in ASIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by basurero
America? Which one?
Я слушаю музыку на маршрутке - звучит нормально, если ты сидишь на крыше маршрутки и слушаешь музыку. (хотя если маршрутка едет со соростью 80 км\ч, то это будет сложно удержаться на ее крыше :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by ezhikvtumane
Но можно сказать "я еду на маршрутке"Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuvak
BlackMage:
Where are you going to find Melbourne in Asia ????Quote:
I'm an AMERICAN I don't give a damn about what goes on in ASIA.
IT'S AUSTRALIA!!!! :lol:
На самом деле or В самом деле?
I know what we hear out there is "На самом деле", but I just came across "В самом деле" while reading Pushkin, so now I have this doubt.
Does it make a difference? Are there certain contexts to use На or В when it comes to самом деле?
these are equivalentQuote:
Originally Posted by erika
They are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyomitch
В самом деле - действительно
На самом деле - в действительности
В самом деле?! - exclamation of surprise ("oh really?" or something like this) - you cannot use "на" here
also "в самом деле" is "indeed"
На самом деле has a shade of meaning "in reality", "in fact"
Но все-таки в разговорной речи это почти одно и то же.