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Пожалуйста, исправьте мои ошибки.
1. And to close my presentation today, I'd like to sing you all a very popular Russian folk song called Катюша.
И наконец, я хочу петь вам одну очень популиярна народу песню, называется Катюша.
2. I hope you will all sing along with me.
Я надиюсь, что вы пропоёте с меня.
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Originally Posted by tohca
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И наконец, я хотел бы cпеть..
Я надеюсь, что вы cпоёте со мной.
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Originally Posted by tohca
Спасибо за исправления и улучшение!
What if I'd like to add the following:
I'd like to sing you two very popular folk songs, one a Russian song called "Катюша" and the other a Malaysian song called "Rasa Sayang".
Я хотил бы спеть вам два очень популярной народной песни, одна русская песня, которая называется "Катюша", а другой малайской песня, которая называется "Rasa Sayang".
You don't need to repeat песня in Russian. Also you need to practice your case endings for adjectives especially.Quote:
Originally Posted by tohca
Спасибо.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
For the following:
две очень популярные народные песни
I used the genetive because of "два /две" which I thought should be genetive (singular). I'm still not so clear on this.
If you use a noun after два, you need a genitive singular, but if you use an adjective, you need a genitive plural. So the model is: два/две + adjective in gen. plur + noun in gen. sing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tohca
There are exceptions anyway.
Sometimes you can use the adjective(s) in an accusative, like in your sentence:
Я хотел бы спеть вам две очень популярные народные песни.
Я хотел бы спеть вам две очень популярных народных песни.
The both are correct. But the first one sounds better to me (in this case).
"Катюша" не народная песня, у нее известны авторы.
Thanks for the help and suggestions. As for my grammar, I'm trying the best I can, though it seems I not making very much progress.... yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Большое спасибо, Оля! Это очень полезно.Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
BappaBa, как называется какую песня? (how does one call such a song?) Спасибо.Quote:
Originally Posted by BappaBa
http://masterrussian.net/mforum/viewtopic.php?t=14945Quote:
Originally Posted by tohca
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0% ... 0%BD%D1%8F)
Популярная, знаменитая, легендарная, ставшая почти народной.Quote:
Originally Posted by tohca
Спасибо, BappaBa!Quote:
Originally Posted by BappaBa
All together now, sing with me!
Все вдруг сейчас, давайте споёт со мной!
А теперь все вместе, пойте со мной!Quote:
Originally Posted by tohca
Спасибо, postmazter. Извините, а какая гласная под ударением для "пойте"?Quote:
Originally Posted by postmazter
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какая гласная под ударением в [слове] "пойте"?
Спасибо.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaya
You're not actually going to sing in Russian for Russians are you?
Why not? I know most Russians like to sing. After hearing me sing, they'll be encouraged to to sing. :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
http://groups.google.com/group/russian- ... %D0%BD.WAV
I've just recorded my rendition of "Катюша". I hope you will help me by listening to it (I know it's pretty awful :oops: ) and commenting on it.
Really appreciate all your help. My exam is in two days time, and I'd like to sing this song for the exam as well as I can. Thanks.
You've done very well! :D :thumbs:
When you asked to join in, me subconsciously went along with singing. :lol:
The most noticable pronunciation mistake is the cluster of soft consonant and [jу] like in катюша. It feels like a sudden quick stop between them.
Anyway, that was cool! 8)
"от Катюши передай привет" - you said "от Катюша"
"спасибо Вам большое" - it came out as "большой"
Thanks Rtyom & E-learner, for taking the time to listen to my atrocious singing and pointing out the various mistakes. The soft consonants are really tough, thus I intent to put more conscious effort to pronounce them better. :)
Just a thought. Try to pronounce not "катьйуша", which is pretty much what you do, but "катьиуша", and then reduce "и", almost get rid of it.
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I'm not sure that's good advice at all. You seem to be telling him to further separate the ю and т. Катьйуша (which is Катьюша) is much closer to the Катюша than 'Катьиуша'...Quote:
Originally Posted by E-learner
I do not agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
I only would suggest to pronounce not "Катьиуша", but "Катиуша". The "й" sound in all Russian words like this sucks awfully.
I still think at least Катьюша is the correct number of syllables (Кать-йу-ша) (3), whereas Катиуша has an extra syllable (Кать-и-у-ша) (4).Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
TATY, the incorrect number of syllables is the lesser evil for native Russian speaker's ears in comparison with this disgusting "й", believe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
I, personally, prefer to be called not Oh-lya, but Oh-lee-ah which sounds much better and closer to my name.
It occurred to me that my advice, even if it is excellent from the point of view of a native speaker, may be impossible to realise.
I mean, if non-native speakers say "тьйу" instead of "тю" then they might just as well say "тьйиу" instead of "тиу". If this is the case then my suggestion won't work.
Just make "иу" a diphthongQuote:
correct number of syllables
But иу as a dipthong would be йу, which is what you were telling him not to pronounce, so we are back to square one.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-learner
No, it would not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
I think you'd better tell him to say "Kachoosha", and only after that, if he wants, try to make 'ch' sound more like 't' (or at least 'q' in Chinese putonghua) and 'oo' sound more like 'u' in French, or
Yeeeees! :) Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Propp