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Working at Israel's coast, I often run into Russian tourists. There is a toll of a 1 shekel (about 8 rubles, or 25 cents) to enter the toilet here. I'd like to say "I don't make the rules" in Russian, so they won't see me as a factor in this. So, is there a phrase for that in Russian?
Haha... tell them it is very cheap compared with many other countries!!
Не я устанавливаю/придумываю такие правила.
You can say: Правила не я придумываю. Не я придумываю эти правила.
Во-первых, правила и расценки уже установили, значит это прошедшее время, и говорить нужно: Не я установила (придумала) эти правила (цены).
Но такой ответ не украшает Вас как работника. Лучше сказать: Правила установлены администрацией или Согласно прайса. Иначе получается, что Вам "все пофигу".
Во-вторых, в России у туалетов сидят бабушки или гастарбайтеры. Что Вы-то делаете у дверей в туалет?:dunno:
It is in fact very cheap compared to Moscow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanna
Согласно прейскуранту/согласно прайс-листу.Quote:
Originally Posted by kvs
Я не знаю в Чикаго платных туалетов.
"Ты не в Чикаго,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Моя дорогая." ;)
I suggest writing something that is very familiar to most Russians like, "Извините, льгот нет. Администрация." It is not a word-for-word translation of what you wrote in the origial post, but "Администрация" is really a very powerful key word and it normally removes any desire to question the price. Furthermore, nobody will ever see you as a factor in pricing.
Это обычная плата! :yahoo:
Дешевле не найдёте! :yahoo:
Можно и такой вариант:
"Если вам не нравится, уезжайте в Россию или Америку!" ;)
This would literally imply something like "Sorry, there are no special exceptions [to the toilet-fee] -- Administration", right? (In other words, the usual meaning of льгота is something like "privilege" or "free benefit" or "special offer for loyal customers", etc.?)Quote:
"Извините, льгот нет. Администрация."
Or, as I remember hearing "эн инглиш" at the Izmailovsky Park tourist market years ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv
"We have best crazy small prices!"
Hmmm... but doesn't the present tense better emphasize the meaning that "I didn't invent this rule myself, two seconds ago, just to annoy you", or "I'm not making these rules up as I go along"?Quote:
Originally Posted by kvs
(Is there a good Russian phrase for "as one goes along" -- that is, "without earlier planning, rehearsal, or precedent"?)
Valda, are not you native to Kenya?
That's a bit strange thing to ask, I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anixx
This is plain simple, just deductive method, popularized by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
As she lives in Israel, but works in a coastal toilet, she is not Jew. But she is also not Arabic because she speaks Hebrew. This means that she is most likely black. But as she is black but lives in Israel, this means she is Christian. Once she is Christian, her father was possibly from Kenya. As she learns Russian, that means she loves a Russian man. But if she had contact with him, he probably could teach her Russian and there would be no purpose to ask in the forum. So she possibly wants to find her lost love. Am I right?
What's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anixx
Yes. Here "льгот нет" basically means that nobody including the needy, retired, schoolchildren etc., is allowed to pay less, say, 15 rubles. Take it or leave it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
PS. Don't think of what I’m writing here now as a joke, please. I'm very serious.
Крымский аналитик - Фото из Москвы. Ах, Арбат, мой Арбат, ты - моя религия...
Woah...couldn't be more off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anixx
1) I didn't say I work in a coastal toilet, I said I work in the coast :)
2) I'm a paramedic, my first aid unit is located near the toilet in the coast I work.
3) I am American and my parents made Aleya (immigration) to Israel. I'm Jewish by roots (though I don't practice any religion). I was raised in Israel.
4) Yes, I do have a Russian lover (you did get that right ;) ), Russian friends, and I ask them tons of quesitons as well, but sometimes it's fun to be be engaged in the forum...the grammatical explanations here are more accurate and it's fun to have back and forths with other people.
5) Do I look black!? Blacks mistake me for Russian :P
I'm whitish-moca
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I wouldn't like to get my answer too involved to the people who approach me, I often just say "I have nothing to do with it" to some Americans or Israelis who ask me. Which, according to google translate is "Я ничего не имею к этому никакого отношения"... is that right? It's just a bit rude when they ask me for shekel to pay for the toll guy (who is Ethiopian btw! Or Eritrean, I'm not sure. He can barely speak Hebrew).
The best reaction to the fact the toilet coast a shekel I heard from a Russian tourist once.
"One shekel?? One shekel to pee!? Hah, I go pee in ocean!"
:)
Anyway, back to the question at hand!
I guess the most accurate translation would be
..."Правила не я придумываю"
придумываю is a nice word. Although there is also "устанавливаю"
I guess it's the difference between "I don't come up with the rules" and "I don't set the rules"... which is essentially the same thing.
Wouldn't it be better syntax-wise to say "я не придумываю правила"?... The sentence sounds more flowing to me this way.
I'm pretty sure they let those in for free.Quote:
Yes. Here "льгот нет" basically means that nobody including the needy, retired, schoolchildren etc., is allowed to pay less, say, 15 rubles. Take it or leave it.
Really? How much is it in Moscow?Quote:
It is in fact very cheap compared to Moscow.
Different situations will require different words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
- импровизировать
- экспромтом
- по наитию
- чутьё(внутренний голос) подсказало (подсказал)
- только что сам придумал (=have invented myself just a moment ago)
- ...
(I hope I understood the question correctly)
Excellent idea, BTW!Quote:
"One shekel?? One shekel to pee!? Hah, I go pee in ocean!"
You say: "Извините, у нас платный туалет." (pointing to ocean) "Но бесплатный вон рядом"
What does вон рядом mean?
вон is out or away
рядом is alongside
hmm...does it mean "away there"
?
It reminds me Russian double act sketch show "Городок":Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7wNYzJCkJc
Oh, sorry then.Quote:
Woah...couldn't be more off.
15-25 rubles. Although I know one state-owned toilet remaining from Soviet era where it is... 2 rubles. But it is very dirty there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valda
:cool3: Принимаю! У меня часто пишется как слышется :search:Quote:
Согласно прейскуранту/согласно прайс-листу.
:duel:Quote:
Можно и такой вариант:
"Если вам не нравится, уезжайте в Россию или Америку!"
Valda! You are here? Do not take offense to the Russian humor.
рядом = nearby, not farQuote:
Originally Posted by Valda
вон - just for decoration, makes speech more alive, and could be skipped
I guess that tourist was quite drunk to take a sea for an ocean... Or was his intention to hold himself until he crosses the sea and gets to the Atlantic? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Valda
В таких случаях слово "вон" можно заменить на слово "там". Но при произношении этого слова, обычно показывают в сторону объекта рукой или взглядом. Когда говорят: "вон от сюда" тоже часто машут рукой.Quote:
What does вон рядом mean?
вон is out or away
рядом is alongside
hmm...does it mean "away there"
I think, the closest in meaning is probably "right", as in:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valda
вон рядом => right nearby
вон там => right there
вон туда => right over there
Something like that.
autocratically? самодержавно, for the phrase "I'm not making these rules up as I go along" => I'm not making these rules autocratically (?)Quote:
(Is there a good Russian phrase for "as one goes along" -- that is, "without earlier planning, rehearsal, or precedent"?)
I presume if you didn't mean politics and tzars you probably wanted to say "сам(а)", or "по своей инициативе",or "самостоятельно" or "единолично", or "как мне заблагорассудится", didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraph
there, nearbyQuote:
Originally Posted by Valda
hebrew: hine shama leyad
я не устанавливаю правила - i don't set the rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by Valda
не я устанавливаю правила - it's not me who sets the rules
it's rather a matter of what part of the statement you wish to emphasize
Yea LXNDR but in the previous example they put "pravila" as the first word ... Look again
Belarus was awesome in this respect. There were quite a lot of public loos, they cost practically nothing. Some were quite old but stilll reasonably clean. Some were new and spotless. No queues like in London or insane prices like in Stockholm. Stockholm has the disgusing habit of just mixing men and women inside the facilities, instead of having a separate section for each gender. That should be illegal IMHO. I don't massively mind no-sitting toilets as long as they are clean. That was the standard in Belarus. In Belarus, I forgot my handbag with quite a lot of money in a public loo. I did not realise it until 15 minutes later. Can you imagine, I got it back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anixx
Ukraine gets a thumbs-down from me in this respect. The public toilets were dirty and smelled. People using them were complaining that they were disgusting. In some places there were plastic one-unit toilets of the type that are used on carnivals etc.
I noticed that there were old ladies sitting outside asking for money. Not sure if they were maintenance staff or just begging. They did not appear to clean it at any rate.
that would sound too formal and cold to my test, not exactly colloquialQuote:
Originally Posted by Valda
Russian is quite liberal in the syntax so you practically can shuffle the words, almost any words order will make sense as long as the words are grammatically correct, what will differ is connotations
here's a good version
я правила не устанавливаю - pretty harsh, implying 'i don't set the rules, get it?'
of course right intonation can help to get the message across
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Originally Posted by Hanna
good for the cultural differences topic
Ahhh... as I thought... though I like the word придумываю also :) thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by LXNDR