A few misc. questions

1. Добро пожалавать и мuлости прoсим -what is the difference and when is it appropriate to use one instead of the other?

2. какие слоги ударные?
переплет; вперед; шестов; певцов

3. Dative of дядя? Дядю или дяде?
28-6 Schaum

4. Учебный год начинается январём -- the school year starts in January. Is the sentence correct?

5. Я занимался целыми днями. I studied for days on end. OR. I studied the whole day. Which is correct?

6. Резать ломтиками - is it to cut into slices OR small pieces

7. Он съел ещё ломтик хлеба - What does it mean?

Спасибо заранее!

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1. Добро пожалавать и мuлости прoсим -what is the difference and when is it appropriate to use one instead of the other?

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The difference is purely stylistic. You can use either.

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2. какие слоги ударные?

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переплёт; вперёд; шестов; певцов

ё - всегда ударная.

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3. Dative of дядя? Дядю или дяде?

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Дяде

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4. Учебный год начинается январём -- the school year starts in January. Is the sentence correct?

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No, it starts in September :mrgreen:

The correct sentence is "... в январе"

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5. Я занимался целыми днями. I studied for days on end. OR. I studied the whole day. Which is correct?

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The first one is correct. днями - plural.

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6. Резать ломтиками - is it to cut into slices OR small pieces

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slices

piece = кусок, кусочек

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7. Он съел ещё ломтик хлеба - What does it mean?

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He ate another slice of bread ("He ate more bread" fits better, I think)

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3. Dative of дядя? Дядю или дяде?
28-6 Schaum

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Дядя, папа, дедушка, братишка и другие слова, которые обознают мужчин, но заканчиваются на -а/-я, имеют окончания как у слов женского рода на -а/-я.
Dativ: Дедушке, папе, братишке... маме, сестре.

Yul'a,
You forgot Чайка! =:^0

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5. Я занимался целыми днями. I studied for days on end. OR. I studied the whole day. Which is correct?

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The first one is correct. днями - plural.

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целым днём?
Спасибо заранее!

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целым днём?

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Я занимался весь день.
P.S. Хотя мне не очень понятно в английском: если порядок слов фиксированный, то как различаются, допустим, вот эти две фразы:
"Я занимался весь день" и "Я весь день занимался"?

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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Sorry for asking such a simple question, but how do I make the phrase using the instrumental case?

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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Sorry for asking such a simple question, but how do I make the phrase using the instrumental case?

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I'm afraid, you can't use instrumental case in this particular case.

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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Sorry for asking such a simple question, but how do I make the phrase using the instrumental case?

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Duration phrases usually use the accusative case.

I studied in the morning. Я занимался утром.
I studied all morning. Я занимался всё утро.

I was in Moscow in August. Я был в Москве в августе.
I was in Moscow for a whole month. Я был в Москве целый месяц.

I crammed endings for five hours. Я окончания зубрил пять часов.
(пять is accusative here)

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Я зубрил окончания пять часов.

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Добро пожаловать и милости прoсим

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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Sorry for asking such a simple question, but how do I make the phrase using the instrumental case?

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Why do you insist on using the instrumental case?

You use the instrumental case with the parts of the day (утро, день, вечер, ночь) and the seasons to express WHEN you did something.

To say HOW LONG (duration) you use the accusative case:

Я занимался днём = I studied during the day
Я весь день занимался = I studied for a whole day

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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Sorry for asking such a simple question, but how do I make the phrase using the instrumental case?

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Why do you insist on using the instrumental case?

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Since the following sentence is in the plural instrumental form, I was trying to see if I understand this case by trying to use the singular instrumental form. Я занимался целыми днями. I studied for days on end. :? As you can see, I'm still quite confused. :oops:

I think it would be best to avoid the instrumental case here, correct or not, because it could create confusion with the verb занимался. The reason I say that is because заниматься takes the instrumental case itself (e.g. я занимаюсь спортом - I'm involved with sport), so Я занимался целыми днями could look like "I was involved with whole days."

That may or may not be a relevant point. :P

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So if I wanted to say "I studied the whole day", then it would be, Я занимался целый день?

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Sorry for asking such a simple question, but how do I make the phrase using the instrumental case?

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Why do you insist on using the instrumental case?

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Since the following sentence is in the plural instrumental form, I was trying to see if I understand this case by trying to use the singular instrumental form. Я занимался целыми днями. I studied for days on end. :? As you can see, I'm still quite confused. :oops:

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That's because it's in the plural.

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Originally Posted by Ryan91

I think it would be best to avoid the instrumental case here, correct or not, because it could create confusion with the verb занимался. The reason I say that is because заниматься takes the instrumental case itself (e.g. я занимаюсь спортом - I'm involved with sport), so Я занимался целыми днями could look like "I was involved with whole days."

That may or may not be a relevant point. :P

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Sort of, but not really, as context would indicate that целыми днями is the time period and not what the verb refers to.

True, but personally I don't like it when verbs which take cases other than the accusative (заниматься - instrumental, позволять - dative, etc.) don't have a noun in said case to hook onto, although there's nothing wrong with it.

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True, but personally I don't like it when verbs which take cases other than the accusative (заниматься - instrumental, позволять - dative, etc.) don't have a noun in said case to hook onto, although there's nothing wrong with it.

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What you said doesn't make sense. Verbs that require the accusative case (transitive verbs) almost always require an object. You said you don't like using verbs that take cases other than the accusative (these are called the oblique cases, by the way) without a noun... but they are the only verbs you can use and often have to use without nouns...


e.g.

Я 4 года изучаю русский язык - ОК
Я изучал в Москве - Incorrect, because изучать is a transitive verb and thus requires an object in the accusative case.

Я учился в Москве - OK, because учиться сan take a noun (in the dative), or not... e.g. Я учился английскому языку в Москве...

How else would you you say "I studied for 2 hours" in Russian without using a verb that takes an oblique case without a on object.

Я занимался 2 часа.
You don't like that sentence, because заниматься doesn't govern a noun in the instrumental?

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so Я занимался целыми днями could look like "I was involved with whole days."

That may or may not be a relevant point. :P

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For me "Я занимался целыми днями" may sound as "...involved..." only in corresponding context. In all rest cases - study, exercise.

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Я занимался 2 часа.
You don't like that sentence, because заниматься doesn't govern a noun in the instrumental?

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Yes, exactly. I know it's 100% grammatically correct, but I'm not fond of phrasing things like that myself. I'm odd; don't worry about it. :P

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Я занимался 2 часа.
You don't like that sentence, because заниматься doesn't govern a noun in the instrumental?

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Yes, exactly. I know it's 100% grammatically correct, but I'm not fond of phrasing things like that myself. I'm odd; don't worry about it. :P

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But you often have to phrase stuff like that.

1. какой слог ударный?
гнать из дому — дoму или домy?

2. Что эти значит?
i. Его назнaчили судьёй. They made him a judge?
ii. Его выбрали в начальники. They elected him as head.

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1. какой слог ударный?
гнать из дому — дoму или домy?

2. Что эти значит?
i. Его назнaчили судьёй. They made him a judge?
ii. Его выбрали в начальники. They elected him as head.

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из дому (the stress is on the preposition)
or из дому

He has been appointed (a?) judge
He has been elected as head/chief

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1. какой слог ударный?
гнать из дому — дoму или домy?

2. Что эти значит?
i. Его назнaчили судьёй. They made him a judge?
ii. Его выбрали в начальники. They elected him as head.

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из дому (the stress is on the preposition)
or из дому

He has been appointed (a?) judge
He has been elected as head/chief

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Большое спасибо, Indra.

1. Давaй сядем на скамeйку / скамeйке -- lets sit on the bench. скамeйкa in ac or pc?

2. Наши друзья побывали в музее. Our friends visited the museum.
Shouldn't музей be in accusative?

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1. Давaй сядем на скамeйку / скамeйке -- lets sit on the bench. скамeйкa in ac or pc?

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Both are correct. "На скамeйку" (acc.) is better here.

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2. Наши друзья побывали в музее. Our friends visited the museum.
Shouldn't музей be in accusative?

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No. They were (where?) - in the museum.
If you say "Они посетили музей" (lit. "they visited the museum") - yes, in this case it's accusative.

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2. Наши друзья побывали в музее. Our friends visited the museum.
Shouldn't музей be in accusative?

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No. They were (where?) - in the museum.
If you say "Они посетили музей" (lit. "they visited the museum") - yes, in this case it's accusative.

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Am a little confused. Both побывали и посетили also mean "to visit", thus indication there is sense of movement => accusative? Or is it посетили governs the a/c case whereas побывали does not?
Sorry for asking what must be a very straight forward to you. Thanks.

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Am a little confused. Both побывали и посетили also mean "to visit", thus indication there is sense of movement => accusative? Or is it посетили governs the a/c case whereas побывали does not?
Sorry for asking what must be a very straight forward to you. Thanks.

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Don't say "sorry", it's absolutely ok.

Yes, the verb посетить governs the accusative case, because it's transitive.
But you can't use the verb побывать without a preposition (в, у, на, возле, etc.). The verb is intransitive.

So:
Мы посетили музей (sounds rather formal, by the way)
Мы побывали в музее (sounds quite common and natural).

Мы посетили - что? - музей.
Мы побывали - где? - в музее.

Спасибо. Теперь уже ясно.