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    Я должна была вернуться город

    Я должна была вернуться город.

    This is a bit confusing.

    Why isn't this "....вернуться в городе." ?
    The person is going in a direction, right?
    I must be missing some important grammatical principle, or?

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    Я должна была вернуться город.

    This is a bit confusing.

    Why isn't this "....вернуться в городе." ?
    The person is going in a direction, right?
    I must be missing some important grammatical principle, or?
    It is the Accusative case. This is not a direction, this is a place.
    If you want to stress on the direction you need to say:
    Я должна была повернуться в направлении города.
    or
    Я должна была повернуться к городу. (better)
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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    Я должна была вернуться в город.

    This is a bit confusing.

    Why isn't this "....вернуться в городе." ?
    The person is going in a direction, right?
    Yes, the person is going in a direction. That's why it's the accusative case (город, not городе). If it would be just being in a place (she lives in the town), then it would be the prepositional case (она живет в городе).
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться в город

    "Вернуться" means to come back, to return (the idea of direction is implied because of the verb meaning). "Повернуться" is another verb, it means "to turn." A well-known fairy-tale phrase with this verb:
    ИзбУшка-избУшка, повернИсь ко мнЕ пЕредом, а к лЕсу зАдом! (one says it to избушка на курьих ножках)
    http://www.prikolist.biz/humor/uploads/2008/04/825.jpg

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Oh yes, of course! Thanks everyone!
    About город --- That was just temporary confusion.
    I knew that really, I promise!

    Can you just confirm that this is right?
    ----------------------------------------------
    Я должна была вернуться Москву. (because it's feminine), BUT

    Я должна была вернуться Санкт-Петербург (no change because it is masculine or neutral... )
    -----------------------------------------------

    I still don't quite understand the situation with the "в"..
    Why did my original sentence not contain "в"?

    I was SO certain that the "в" was needed because I had been learning a whole bunch of sentences like this:

    Я еду в Москву.
    Я хочу поехать в Москву.
    Я ездила в Москву.
    Ты хочешь поехать в Санкт-Петербург со мной?
    Вечером я собираюсь поехать в Санкт-Петербург.

    etc!

    All have "в"


    Believe it or not, I am beginning to learn some grammatical terminology...! The only people I know who really know grammar well are those who studied Latin.... Everyone here is so good at it.

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    Я должна была вернуться в Москву.

    Я должна была вернуться в Санкт-Петербург.

    I still don't quite understand the situation with the "в"..
    Why did my original sentence not contain "в"?
    A typo? )
    We can't know for sure, we don't know where you found it. )
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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    Can you just confirm that this is right?
    ----------------------------------------------
    Я должна была вернуться в Москву. (because it's feminine), BUT

    Я должна была вернуться в Санкт-Петербург (no change because it is masculine or neutral... )
    Why did my original sentence not contain "в"?
    I don't know. I've corrected it, if you noticed...
    In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.

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    Oh... Ok! Thanks!
    Yeah I saw that you corrected it, that but I wasn't quite sure... I found it somewhere online.

    The sources of most of my info are:

    English Wiktionary,
    The main part of this site
    The Swedish site for learning Russian
    http://www.russianlessons.net.

    Plus I took all the sentences from Pimsleur and copied them into my flashcard set....

    Gosh I am sick of Pimsleur!
    I've got 10 hours of Pimsleur left and it's a matter of principle to finish it...

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Well, it's up to you. I personally prefer to use trusted sources only, I mean good grammar books and textbooks, and texts that 100% were read / written and corrected by competent natives.
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    You are right Zaya and I bought some. I will start using them properly soon. I started using online stuff because there was a tremendous delay in the delivery of my books to the UK (I decided to buy books in my own mother-tongue instead of English).

    Now I'm almost obsessed with my "Anki flashcard" collection. Anki is a very cool piece of software.

    But these books and a few others are patiently waiting for me..




    100% guaranteed correct. But the Swedish material is MUCH harder than the English material. Using that will need some serious effort and concentration instead of just having a nice time with Russian like I am right now...

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaya
    A well-known fairy-tale phrase with this verb:
    ИзбУшка-избУшка, повернИсь ко мнЕ пЕредом, а к лЕсу зАдом! (one says it to избушка на курьих ножках)
    ( I get this! remember this story from childhood, in the super-scary Russian Folk tales book...)


    But I don't understand This, and neither does "Google Translator"...
    Сдаю комнату. В любом районе.


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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    If it is from your notorious Pimsleur then maybe that’s why Russians in Hollywood pics sound as weird as they do.
    It should be «Сниму комнату в любом районе».

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by alexB
    It should be «Сниму комнату в любом районе».
    No. You just didn't get the joke. The избушка can move (it has legs, after all), that's why the whitch can LET a room in any district.

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Это ж Баба-Яга, едрёна вошь! Как я сразу не догадался!?
    Тогда большой пребольшой oops.

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Да. И изображена она на Красной площади. В центре жильё самое дорогое.

    Интересно, если снять в центре, а потом она уйдёт за МКАД, пока ты спишь, то по каким расценкам нужно платить: Москва, или Подмосковье?

    К вопросу об уровне жизни в России: мы с женой платим 1000 евро в месяц за найм однокомнатной квартиры. При этом я преподаю в универе на полставки (кандидат наук), и моя зарплата 50 (пятьдесят) евро в месяц.

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by SAn
    При этом я преподаю в универе на полставки (кандидат наук), и моя зарплата 50 (пятьдесят) евро в месяц.
    По украинским меркам маловато будет даже для ассистентской полставки.
    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться город

    Quote Originally Posted by SAn
    При этом я преподаю в универе на полставки (кандидат наук), и моя зарплата 50 (пятьдесят) евро в месяц.
    Универ из новых? Показываете только то, что умещается в МРОТ?

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    Re: Я должна была вернуться в город

    Quote Originally Posted by alexB
    Это ж Баба-Яга, едрёна вошь! Как я сразу не догадался?!
    Тогда большой-пребольшой oops.
    И на старуху бывает проруха.

    Quote Originally Posted by translationsnmru
    The избушка can move (it has legs, after all), that's why the whitch can LET a room in any district.
    Exactly. A prospective lodger says in which dictrict he/she would like to live and the hut on chicken legs goes there.
    A fragment from the cartoon "Добрыня Никитич и Змей Горыныч" (2006).
    0:37

    Johanna
    to let someone live in a flat, room etc that you own in return for money - сдавАть что-либо (the perfective verb is сдать)
    to pay someone for the use of a flat, room etc - снимАть что-либо (the perfective verb is снять)

    I think you already know such words as "квартира," "комната," "офис" (with one "ф"!) and "дом." One can also сдавать/снимать Угол (a part of a room) and even койко-мЕсто (a place to sleep, a bed; as far as I understand originally it was a bureaucratic word used for hospital beds), but these words are much rarer, you are not likely to come across them. )
    I noticed that the only online dictionary that contains the last word is Wiktionary, but there are mistakes there. The nominative plural is "койко-местА" (the stress), "койко-день" should be written with a hyphen, and there are other mistakes I won't mention.

    A podcast on the topic (with the script) for those who are interested:
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    (BTW they missed the comma after "наверно," yes, native speakers make mistakes too))

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