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    созданы по проектам

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    Today I found the expression:
    "Улицы и площади города созданы по проектам великих архитекторов"
    I understood the meaning.
    But I face some difficulty understanding the strucuture. I cannot understand what is "созданы".
    It functions as an adjective but it does not look to an adjective. Obviously it derives from the verb создать.
    As I foreigner I would use passive voice (if I knew) and the expression would look like:
    "Улицы и площади города создались by word-famous architectures".

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    создались is not the Passive Voice, it's the Active Voice

    созданы is the Passive Voice.

    Созданы is (страдательной причастие) the past particle that corresponds to the English past particle - "created"

    Улицы созданы - The streets are created
    Улицы были созданы - The streets were created
    Улицы будут созданы - The streets will be created

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    If you've spotted any mistake in my English, please, correct it. I want to be aware of any mistakes to efficiently eliminate them before they become a habit.

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    There are any rules of how I can create these forms from the verbs or I just need to memorize.

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    I found them. The most difficult is to understand when to use:
    создаю́щий
    создава́вший
    со́зданный
    созда́вший
    созда́вши

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio1986 View Post
    There are any rules of how I can create these forms from the verbs or I just need to memorize.
    Here it is

    Страдательные причастия прошедшего времени
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    If you've spotted any mistake in my English, please, correct it. I want to be aware of any mistakes to efficiently eliminate them before they become a habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio1986 View Post
    I found them. The most difficult is to understand when to use:
    создаю́щий
    создава́вший
    со́зданный
    созда́вший
    созда́вши
    I would't do all of those forms at once. It can be a can of worms (right, I get it if some people say it's easy - yeah, it is - but it can still be a confusing affair if you do it all at once). If you wanna do passive (создан...), go for it. But do not try to go for the other stuff too.

    I think the OP is confused by the many ways of expressing passive:
    Дома строятся. - The houses are being built. (incomplete...not finished)
    Дома построены. - The houses were built. (it's complete...finished action)

    Right, it's not the "sexiest" example out there. However, you shouldn't confuse reflexive verbs with those forms.

    Anyway, I hope the example "kinda" helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio1986 View Post
    I found them. The most difficult is to understand when to use:
    создаю́щий
    создава́вший
    со́зданный
    созда́вший
    созда́вши
    создающий ~present active participle 'the one who is creating': this can be substituted by a который clause.
    создавая ~ while creating ...
    создавший ~ past active participle, 'the one who created', который clause possible instead
    создавши ~ having created... [example: Премудрый Бог, создавши человека Сказал: "Нехорошо быть одному"] can find examples online.

    созданный - adjective attached to the thing created: создан /а/о/ы short forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    создавши ~ having created... [example: Премудрый Бог, создавши человека Сказал: "Нехорошо быть одному"] can find examples online.
    "Создавши" is an old fashioned word, that's why you used example from a religious book. Now you should use "создав" instead.

    Цукерберг стал миллиардером, создав "Facebook".
    Генерал начал наступление, создав трудности противнику.

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    Note that "созданы" is a short form participle. Adjectives and participles take short form only when used as a predicate.
    "Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?

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