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In the beginning of act 3 of Вишневый сад by A. Chekov, He decribes the following scene : "...... Слышно, как в передней играет тройский оркестр, .."
What is a тройский оркестр ? Is it a trio? In some translations it is called a Hebraic, Jewish? orchestra?
"Тройский" means nothing, actually. It must be a OCR mistake.
Here, it is written "еврейский" (Jewish):
http://www.lib.ru/LITRA/CHEHOW/sad.txt
I don’t know why Chekhov called it “тройский”, but in the beginning of act 3: «Слышно, как в передней играет тройский оркестр, тот самый, о котором упоминается во втором акте».
In the act 2:
Любовь Андреевна. О, мои грехи... Я всегда сорила деньгами без удержу, как сумасшедшая, и вышла <…> Словно где-то музыка. (Прислушивается.)
Гаев. Это наш знаменитый еврейский оркестр. Помнишь, четыре скрипки, флейта и контрабас.
So, “тройский оркестр” is Jewish orchestra and consist of for violins, one flute and one contrabass.
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Originally Posted by Звездочёт
Maybe he called it “тройский” because it was a trio?
Trio... Four violins, one flute and one contrabass = 6 men. No, it is not a trio.
But maybe it’s the clue: “тройская унция” (troy ounce). The word “тройская” is derived from “Труа” (Troyes). Troyes is a French city.
In the act 2:
Гаев. Это наш знаменитый еврейский оркестр. Помнишь, четыре скрипки, флейта и контрабас.
Любовь Андреевна. Он еще существует? Его бы к нам зазвать как-нибудь, устроить вечерок.
Лопахин (прислушивается). Не слыхать... (Тихо напевает.) «И за деньги русака немцы офранцузят». (Смеется.)
The meaning of the last sentence is not clear for me enough, but verb “офранцузить” literally means “to make someone frenchman-like”. In addition, French culture and language were very popular in Russia at the Chekhov time, and Russian high society spoke French. So, maybe “тройский оркестр” is the orchestra from Troyes, like “московский оркестр” is orchestra from Moscow. I think this version is very verisimilar.
P.S. Sorry for my English.
Could you mention the source please? In the text of "Вишневый сад" on the link I gave above, there is no this word. It is said there, "Слышно, как в передней играет еврейский оркестр, тот самый, о котором упоминается во втором акте."Quote:
Originally Posted by Звездочёт
Rafael, could you tell us about your source, too? Is it a book or a source on the Internet?
P.S. Google gave me only ONE page with the word combination "тройский оркестр", and that was http://ilibrary.ru/text/472/p.3/index.html
Obviously it is a OCR mistake, otherwise it would be much more results.
Оля, maybe you are right (а я-то уже в этимологические исследования подался :) )
My src:
http://ilibrary.ru/text/472/p.3/index.html
http://www.antonchehov.ru/book/166/
http://ap-chekhov.ru/vishneviy_sad_3.htm
All the three pages contain the following text:
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Гостиная, отделенная аркой от залы. Горит люстра. Слышно, как в передней играет тройский оркестр, тот самый, о котором упоминается во втором акте. Вечор.
Maybe you know why Chekhov calls вечер "вечор"? :DQuote:
I don’t know why Chekhov called it “тройский”...
:)
Maybe it is mistake, but maybe...
ВЕЧО́Р, нареч.
1. Прост. Вчера вечером; вчера. "Вечор, ты помнишь, вьюга злилась". А. С. Пушкин, Зимнее утро. — "Вечор я надумал такую машину, которой ни бензина, ни автола — ничего не надо". С. Антонов, Футбол.
2. Прост. и обл. Вечером. "Приходи вечор, любимый, Приголубь и обогрей". Волженин, Лирическая песня.
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Звездочёт, are you kidding? :) I KNOW that the word вечор exists, but Чехов would NEVER use it in that context, and he did not! Just look up the text of this play on other sites, for example on www.lib.ruQuote:
Originally Posted by Звездочёт
Yes, it's not seriously. Sorry. :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
I think your version is right, your arguments are stringent.
My source is: http://ilibrary.ru/text/472/p.1/index.html. I will check others to see if they say hebraic instead of тройский.Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
You are right I went to http://public-library.narod.ru/Chekhov. ... hnevy.html and http://lib.rin.ru/doc/i/45625p10.html and they have Hebraic and not тройский. and they both have
играет еврейский оркестр at the beginning of the third act instead of тройский оркестр . The latter is the one that shows in my source http://ilibrary.ru/text/472/p.3/index.html which is, most likely, a mistake? or a deliberate deception?
By the way, http://www.lib.ru on which I gave the link twice in this thread is the most authoritative electronic library on the Russian Internet. It is more authoritative than http://public-library.narod.ru (this one is not the site everyone knows at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafael
This is how this text looks in the paper book I have at home:
http://i042.radikal.ru/0906/7d/62da6f05e981t.jpg
Great!
You clarified the "Вечор" question. This is actually a mistake in some of the sources. The correct is: . as in your picture from the book, "Вечер". I was also having trouble with this word.
Gracias.