Альбом Мэрайи Кэри

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December 31st, 2005, 04:26 AM
kwatts59

Альбом Мэрайи Кэри

Here is another translation.
Words in (parentheses) can be omitted, but I left them there because they are in the original Russian text. For example, in English we seldom say “in the year 2005”. We usually just say “in 2005”.
Words in italic I was not sure how to translate.
“строчка” = “line” but it does not sound natural in the context.
“занимали” = “occupied” but it does not sound natural in the context.

Альбом Мэрайи Кэри занял первое место по продажам
Mariah Carey's Album took first place in sales.

Альбом Мэрайи Кэри (Mariah Carey) «Emancipation of Mimi» в 2005 году разошелся тиражом в 4,86 миллиона копий и стал самым продаваемым диском года, опередив «Massacre» рэппера 50 Cent, достигшего лишь уровня в 4,83 миллиона продаж.

The Mariah Carey Album "Emancipation of Mimi" reached a circulation of 4.86 million copies in (the year) 2005 and became the most sold disk of the year, surpassing "Massacre" by rapper 50 cent, which reached only (a level of) 4.83 million in sales.

Такому результату немало способствовало то, что с «Emancipation of Mimi» Кэри получила 8 номинаций на «Грэмми», а 50 Cent – лишь 6.

"Emancipation of Mimi" received such awesome results that Carey received 8 nominations for "the Grammy", and 50 Cent - just 6.

Кроме того, песня Кэри «Don't Forget About Us» добралась до верхней строчки в чарте Billboard's Hot 100, позволив Мэрайе обойти самого Элвиса Пресли (Elvis Presley) по количеству успешных синглов.

Besides, the song by Carey "Don't Forget About Us" reached the top spot on the chart Billboard's Hot 100, allowing Mariah to surpass Elvis Presley in the number of successful singles.

Кэри, чьи песни 17 раз занимали первое место, сейчас уступает только группе «Beatles», 20 раз занимавшей первую строчку.

Carey, whose songs made first place 17 times, now concedes only to the group "Beatles", who made first place 20 times.

Edit: If anyone can find any errors, they would be appreciated.
Why does my "preview" button not work?
December 31st, 2005, 05:47 AM
translationsnmru

Your first and foremost error is that you still try translating words.

Believe me, I am not trying to pick at you and I am not being mean when I tell you that you should translate CONCEPTS and not WORDS. Until you grasp this idea, your translations will continue sounding as though they were made by some translation software.
December 31st, 2005, 06:20 AM
kwatts59

I have been thinking about the first paragraph and leaving out the phrases like "the year of" and "reached a level of". I also think "the most sold disk" sounds a bit weird so I replaced it with "highest selling disk".
Edit: "circulation" also sounds strange - I will cut that out too.
I think this sounds better.

The Mariah Carey Album "Emancipation of Mimi" reached 4.86 million in sales in 2005 and became the highest selling disk of the year, surpassing "Massacre" by rapper 50 Cent, which reached only 4.83 million in sales.

eh, still sounds a bit strange.
How would you translate it translations.nm.ru?
December 31st, 2005, 07:08 AM
kwatts59

Re: Альбом Мэрайи Кэри

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Кроме того, песня Кэри «Don't Forget About Us» добралась до верхней строчки в чарте Billboard's Hot 100, позволив Мэрайе обойти самого Элвиса Пресли (Elvis Presley) по количеству успешных синглов.

Besides, the song by Carey "Don't Forget About Us" reached the top spot on the chart Billboard's Hot 100, allowing Mariah to surpass Elvis Presley in the number of successful singles.

I think this is better:
In addition, Carey's "Don't Forget About Us" reached the top spot on the "Billboard's Hot 100" chart, giving her more successful singles than Elvis Presley.
December 31st, 2005, 07:19 AM
BlackMage

Why do you call her Мэрайи. It is my understanding that her name is pronounced closer to Марая. This has the added bonus of having a feminine ending.
December 31st, 2005, 07:20 AM
BlackMage

Re: Альбом Мэрайи Кэри

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I think this is better:
In addition, Carey's "Don't Forget About Us" reached the top spot on the "Billboard's Hot 100" chart, giving her more successful singles than Elvis Presley.

I think both sound weird and unnatural.
December 31st, 2005, 07:23 AM
translationsnmru

There is more than one way to kill the cat, and there is more than one way to express the same idea in words.

E.g.
An album of Mariah Carey comes first in sales (or ...becomes number one in sales).

The Emancipation of Mimi by Mariah Carey has sold 4.86 million copies in 2005 and become the best-selling disc of the year, surpassing The Massacre by rapper 50 Cent which sold only 4.83 million copies.

Such a result was to a large degree due to the fact that Carey with her The Emancipation of Mimi was nominated for the Grammy award in 8 categories, while 50 Cent was only nominated in 5.

Besides, the song Don't Forget about Us by Carey made it to the top position in the Billboard Hot 100 chart, allowing Mariah to surpass Elvis Presley himself in the number of successful singles

Carey, whose songs made first place 17 times, now is second only to The Beatles, who made first place 20 times.

Since English is not my first language, the translation can obviously be improved by native speakers. But I hope you can see now that you are not restricted in your choice of words in your translations, as long as you are true to the meaning of the original text. Actually, my translation is still too literal in some spots, as almost any on-the-fly translation is.
December 31st, 2005, 07:30 AM
BlackMage

Here's my version:

Альбом Мэрайи Кэри занял первое место по продажам
Mariah Carey's album hit the top of the sales charts.

Альбом Мэрайи Кэри (Mariah Carey) «Emancipation of Mimi» в 2005 году разошелся тиражом в 4,86 миллиона копий и стал самым продаваемым диском года, опередив «Massacre» рэппера 50 Cent, достигшего лишь уровня в 4,83 миллиона продаж.

Mariah Carey's "Emancipation of Mimi" sold 4.86 million copies in 2005 making it the year's most popular album, outselling "Massacre" by rapper 50 cent, which sold 4.83 million copies.

Такому результату немало способствовало то, что с «Emancipation of Mimi» Кэри получила 8 номинаций на «Грэмми», а 50 Cent – лишь 6.

Sales of "Emancipation of Mimi" were boosted by critical acclaim in the from of eight Grammy nominations vs. 50 Cent's six nods.

Кроме того, песня Кэри «Don't Forget About Us» добралась до верхней строчки в чарте Billboard's Hot 100, позволив Мэрайе обойти самого Элвиса Пресли (Elvis Presley) по количеству успешных синглов.

Also, Carey's single, "Don't Forget About Us", topped the Billboard's Hot 100 chart, breaking Elvis Presley's record for most hit singles.

Кэри, чьи песни 17 раз занимали первое место, сейчас уступает только группе «Beatles», 20 раз занимавшей первую строчку.

Carey's singles have topped the charts seventeen times, second only to The Beatles' twenty number one singles.

What's that, a decent translation!?
December 31st, 2005, 07:55 AM
translationsnmru

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackMage

What's that, a decent translation!?

Sounds nice and idiomatic, except this sentence:

"Emancipation of Mimi" received such critical acclaim that Carey received eight Grammy nominations vs. 50 Cent's six nods."

It's the other way around. The Russian says that the success of the Carey's album is due to it being nominated so many times. A lot of nominations lead to a high chart position, capisci?
December 31st, 2005, 08:05 AM
BlackMage

That's why you're the native speaker and I'm the bumbling idiot who asks for "Mol-ler-KO" at the "Pro-DUCK-tee"
December 31st, 2005, 08:26 AM
kwatts59

Quote:

Originally Posted by translations.nm.ru

There is more than one way to kill the cat.

There is more that one way to SKIN a cat. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by translations.nm.ru

The Emancipation of Mimi by Mariah Carey has sold 4.86 million copies in 2005 and become the best-selling disc of the year, surpassing The Massacre by rapper 50 Cent which sold only 4.83 million copies.

Such a result was to a large degree due to the fact that Carey with her The Emancipation of Mimi was nominated for the Grammy award in 8 categories, while 50 Cent was only nominated in 5.

Besides, the song Don't Forget about Us by Carey made it to the top position in the Billboard Hot 100 chart, allowing Mariah to surpass Elvis Presley himself in the number of successful singles

Carey, whose songs made first place 17 times, now is second only to The Beatles, who made first place 20 times.

Excellent. :thanks:

Actually, I realized that "highest-selling" was wrong and I was going to change it to "best-selling" but you beat me to the punch.

In the third paragraph, I think the word "Besides" should be "In addition" or "Also".

Also the following sentence sounds very unnatural.
"Such a result was to a large degree due to the fact that Carey with her ..."
The sentence is tooo loooong and complicated.

Thanks translations and blackie!
December 31st, 2005, 08:44 AM
kwatts59

Re: Альбом Мэрайи Кэри

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackMage

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I think this is better:
In addition, Carey's "Don't Forget About Us" reached the top spot on the "Billboard's Hot 100" chart, giving her more successful singles than Elvis Presley.

I think both sound weird and unnatural.

I said I think it is better, not perfect. :D
December 31st, 2005, 01:59 PM
TATY

When you translate you can't put words in brackets. You have ot make a decision whether to put the words in or take them out.

Its like doing an exam and not knowing the answer, so you write two different answers instead of one.

You are trying to stick to the original text too much. You have some artistic freedom when translating. Remember the key is IT HAS TO SOUND GOOD IN ENGLISH. The level of language, tone, mood of the text must be mirrored in the target language.

At the top you said "In Russian they say 'In the year 2005'". No they do not say that!. They say 'In the 2005th year'. Are you gonna put that in your translation? No! You put 'In 2005'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackMage

Why do you call her Мэрайи. It is my understanding that her name is pronounced closer to Марая. This has the added bonus of having a feminine ending.

Becuase Мэрайи is the genitive of Мэрайя.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I think this is better:
In addition, Carey's "Don't Forget About Us" reached the top spot on the "Billboard's Hot 100" chart, giving her more successful singles than Elvis Presley.

No

Giving her more successful?

....making her more successful than Elvis.....
December 31st, 2005, 04:22 PM
scotcher

Nowt wrong with

".., giving her more successful singles than Elvis Presley"

In my humble (giggle) opinion.
December 31st, 2005, 04:32 PM
translationsnmru

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Nowt wrong with

".., giving her more successful singles than Elvis Presley"

In my humble (giggle) opinion.

It is ambiguous. Are her singles more successful, or is there more of successful singles?
December 31st, 2005, 05:15 PM
scotcher

It's only ambiguous the way I lazily quoted it in isolation, it's not ambiguous at all in its original context.
December 31st, 2005, 09:00 PM
BlackMage

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

Thanks translations and blackie!

You're welcome. Translations are hard to do; they require lots of practice and a sort of fluency in the target language that even some native speakers don't have. Hence, I can do reasonable translations from Russian->English, but my English->Russian translations are not good.