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Hello,
My friend gave me a silkscreen painting to sell on Ebay. I want to be as accurate as possible. There is a slip on the back of the painting, I believe it is Russian. Would anyone mind interpreting it for me? I sure do appreciate it.
Chris
http://www.mediamax.com/abcd_43130/H...%20picture.JPG
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The untranslated words are the names of companies that produced it, so I've left them as they are. They are basically lots of words stuck together, e.g.Quote:
Originally Posted by retired_teacher
Rosglavpoligrafproma is something like "Rusmainpoligraphfactory" in English or something.
The Trinity - Andrei Rublev (may also be spelt Rublyov)
Old Russian Icon
A reproduction on canvas
Izokombinat "Khudozhnik RSFSR" ["Artist of the RSFSR" (The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic)]
Rosglavpoligrafproma Goskomizdata RSFSR
198099, Leningrad, Promyshlennaya (Industrial) Street, 40
Art. LG-121-01-650
Price 5 roubles, 50 kopecks.
TU 29 RSFSR 476-82
Zak. 973 Tir. 10,000 1977
Thank you, that was very helpful :)
Chris
My impression is that "живопись" just means 'painting'. I'm not sure "icon" is correct here. The Russian word for icon is "икона", no?Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
5.50/0.62= 8.87$ :)Quote:
Price 5 roubles, 50 kopecks
The Soviet Rouble isn't the same value as the Russian rouble. Wasn't 5 roubles 50 kopckes quite expensive in 1979?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikhail_S
The Trinity is an icon though, I've seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1% ... 1%D1%8C%29
There is a word живопись and there is a word иконопись. There are not the same. Although Троица is an icon.
Could the word живопись in a broader context include icons though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
Hm... Yes.. Why not? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
But "древнерусская живопись" is quite устоявшееся словосочетание anyway.
Frankly speaking, древнерусская живопись is always иконопись in point of fact.
Нет. Не правда.Quote:
Originally Posted by Оля
Иконопись это всегда живопись, но не наоборот.
Можно с большой долей правды сказать, что древнерусская живопись - это всегда религиозные сюжеты.
Но существовали также фрески - это монументальная живопись на религиозные сюжеты, но иконами она не является. Мозаику также можно отнести к технике монументальной живописи, однако в большинстве случаев мозаики это не иконы.
Here is the image from Wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...C3%ABv_001.jpg
Yes, it certainly looks like an icon. It occured to me that the Soviets may have called it "живопись" and not "икона" for two reasons:
1) For ideological reasons, i.e. suppression of religion and all that.
or
2) Simply that it isn't itself an icon, but rather a copy of one.
AFAIK, in the Russian Orthodox church, an icon has special significance in worship. Perhaps a simple painted copy shouldn't be called an icon because it isn't "real". I don't know -- I'm just suggesting.
Лева, я хотела написать "почти always", но меня заклинило на слове "почти", а смотреть в словарь было лень. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leof
Я имела в виду, что живописи в том смысле, в каком мы понимаем европейскую живопись, на Руси не было в то время. И все-таки фрески и мозаика - это не картины.
It IS an icon, very famous icon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot
Не было такой глупости в советском искусствоведении. Иконы называли иконами. Слово живопись тоже употреблялось, потому что иконопись - это тоже живопись. Древнерусская. Вот такая у нас была живопись, ну и что.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot
Лёва я, Оля, Лёва! :lol:
В том-то всё и дело, что картины. Картины это не только то, что в рамочке или то, у чего четыре угла. :P
Вот это правда. Вот теперь ты всё верно сказала.Quote:
Слово живопись тоже употреблялось, потому что иконопись - это тоже живопись. Древнерусская.
In this context "живопись" is a collective noun. So "древнерусская живопись" means "old Russian paintings"
"Живопись" can't mean "a painting". It's either painting as an art or paintings collectively.
[quote=Matroskin Kot]Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Yes, it certainly looks like an icon. It occured to me that the Soviets may have called it "живопись" and not "икона" for two reasons:
1) For ideological reasons, i.e. suppression of religion and all that.
or
2) Simply that it isn't itself an icon, but rather a copy of one.
AFAIK, in the Russian Orthodox church, an icon has special significance in worship. Perhaps a simple painted copy shouldn't be called an icon because it isn't "real". I don't know -- I'm just suggesting.[/quote:1lownhlk]
It says it's a reprouduction on canvas underneath.
Определись наконец кто ты! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Leof
В общем, это просто репродукция, как ТАТУ заметил.
Для этого есть запятые :P
The Soviets never forbade a word "икона".Quote:
Originally Posted by Matroskin Kot
Quote:
The Soviets never forbade the word "икона".
Мерси. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vadim84