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почему много людей говорят 'Америка', но они на самом деле означают США?
является мексике, бразилии и других стран так незначительный.
never understood that; surely other countries in the continent of America should feel undermined.
i would never say 'Europe' and actually mean France for example
anyway, just something that crossed my mind.....
Most likely it comes from United Stated of America, over time people just shortened it to just America
It means no disrespect to other countries
Традиция и более ничего. Вот что сказано в статье Америка:Quote:
Originally Posted by eisenherz
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Слово «Америка» нередко употребляется для обозначения одного из государств этой части света — США[2] («американский» — значит произведённый в США, находящийся в США и т. д.), а выражение «открыть Америку» часто означает «сообщить давно всем известную и очевидную информацию».
Some similar examples:
saying "Англия" (England) actually meaning "Великобритания" (Great Britain, the UK) which includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland;
saying "Голландия" (Holland) actually meaning "Нидерланды" (the Netherlands), where North Holland and South Holland are just two of their 12 provinces (Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia);
eariler: saying "Россия" (Russia) actually meaning "Советский Союз, СССР" (the Soviet Union, the USSR) which used to consist of 15 union republics, Russia used to be one of them.
Although the analogy is not quigte accurate. "America" when referring to the US belongs to "the whole instead of a part" relationship.
My examples illustrate a different kind of relationship: "a part instead of the whole".
i hear you, but i do not fully agree with the analogy...
when i say Russia i mean Russia
when i mean the Soviet Union i say CCCP
when i say UK i mean England, Scotland, Wales etc
when i mean England alone i say England
in the case of 'America' supposed to mean 'USA' that feels like a country 'usurping' the name of a continent.
but yes, i suppose it has just evolved like that for ease of speak and not for pretending to be the continent.
Speaking for myself, I mean no disrespect when I refer to people of the US as "Americans." It's just a more expedient way to refer to "the citizens of the US" which is a bigger mouthful. I can see how people in Canada might be offended, since they are also part of the North American continent. But even most Canadians I know don't bat an eye when I refer to US citizens as "Americans." It rolls off the tongue easier and has fewer syllables. "US citizens" = 5 syllables. "Americans" = 4 syllables. Sometimes I just call us "Murkans" (more fitting these days) which only has 2 syllables. It's probably just a sign of how lazy we Murkans are :oops:
For that matter, when Islamic radicals say Marg bar Amrika! (Farsi) or Al maut li Amrika! (Arabic), they don't mean "Смерть Канаде!" ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
I've also seen the spelling "Merkins". (Note that, historically, a "merkin" was a маленький парик для лобка!)Quote:
Sometimes I just call us "Murkans"
OK, I see :) But that's you.Quote:
Originally Posted by eisenherz
I know (at least in 1980-s) many people in the West used to say "Russia" instead of the USSR. I just heard about that.
And here (in Russia), many people still use "England" to name the entire UK. It is very common at least in my country.
I just wonder if you know that just out of curiosity, or did you learn either of those languages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
I'm asking that because I was never exposed to languages like Farsi or Arabic.
You just need to be a bit closer to Langley, VA to know it :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
What about Mexicans :) ? Now they get really offended 'cause you don't even consider them as North Americans :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
Just kidding
Sorry, I did not get the joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomer
I was referring to CIA headquarters that resides in Langley, VAQuote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
Throbert is in Virginia, as well
I don't know either of these languages. Actually, I learned these phrases years ago on an Internet thread in which someone was complaining about the "ignorant" way that some Americans pronounce "Iraq" and "Iran" as Ай-рэк and Ай-рэн (instead of Ирак, Иран).Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
But then a Persian-American commenter pointed out that in both Farsi and Arabic, they "ignorantly" say ам-РИ-ка instead of а-МЭ-ри-ка -- so if some Americans want to say АЙ-РЭН, not и-РАН, that was their own business!
(And a Russian commenter added that Russians "ignorantly" say Стамбул and Пекин instead of "Istanbul" and "Beijing"... there were other examples given, too.) Anyway, that's how I learned how to say "Death to America!!!" in Farsi and Arabic. :D
Throbert has BEEN to the CIA headquarters at Langley and got to go on a tour! Biggest surprise: Their large collection of Abstract Expressionist paintings, including artists like Jackson Pollock. Second biggest surprise: The experimental "роботическая стрекоза" from the 1970s. Total non-surprise: Like a lot of the CIA's big ideas, the robot-dragonfly did not actually work. (Or, rather, it worked in the laboratory, but only if they turned off all the fans and air-conditioners, because the slightest breeze made it crash.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomer
And to think, all I got to do was drive by there while we were in DC for the "Rally to Restore Sanity" a few years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
(Unfortunately, our rally did not succeed in restoring sanity)
I guess it is a tricky part of Russian but you can't say "роботическая стрекоза".Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
However you can say "стрекоза-робот" or "робот-стрекоза" or even "роботизированная стрекоза"
DoD has a hummingbird now, totally works - Nano Air Vehicle (NAV) - AeroVironment, Inc.
It's all jokes, manQuote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
A guy who lives in VA and knows half a dozen languages could look suspicious to mere mortals :)
In Russia many people don't know what UK and Great Britain are. So they use the name Англия. It's a long tradition of ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
Recently I heard someone saying New Zealand is part of British Dominion, instead of the Commonwealth.... etc .. etc.... Isn't 'dominion' a colonialism epoch term???
A Canadian showed us a Canadian dollar bill and a Russian man (technical PhD, very educated senior man) was surprised to see the British Queen on the money. I told him Канада входит в Содружество, он улыбнулся и спросил, в какое содружество...., so such examples abound here.
In Russia also the majority of the people think that there is such country as Holland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
Besides, technically Great Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland. The UK does since 1922.
OK, It makes sense now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomer
Небольшой офф-топ.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexsms
Вспомнил на эту тему свои собственные представления о географии в детстве (лет так в 7 - 8, наверное):
Заграница - это название одной из стран.
За рубежом... - когда я слышал это выражение, под "рубежом" я почему-то понимал Уральские горы (карту СССР я уже представлял себе). Таким образом, "за рубежом" = "за Уралом". А вот "Заграницей" - это в стране под названием "Заграница".
Украинцы - они живут на Украине, тут всё понятно.
Хохлы - это совсем другой народ. Почему-то, я представлял себе, что это какой-то из народов Сибири либо Крайнего Севера.
Ну и классика жанра:
Под Москвой - когда я это слышал, я однозначно воспринимал это как "в московском метро". PS Я сам не из Москвы.
Под Москвой - I remember hearing that same term and thinking the same thing! :ROFL:
I am just afraid to ask how exactly did they come to possess those paintings. Did they secretly spend some extra budget money? Took as gifts from lobbyists? Confiscated from commies during McCarthyism? Trophyed from Saddam's palaces?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
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А я еще совсем недавно не знал слова "кацап". Как-то мимо меня прошло.Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
что же 'кацап' значит?
На Украине так презрительно называют русских. Это слово тюркского происхождения, приблизительно означающее "разбойник".Quote:
Originally Posted by eisenherz
Интересно, что в русском языке слово "жид" - презрительное и крайне грубое обозначение еврея. Я бы сказал, гораздо хуже чем "хохол" или "кацап". Тогда как в польском "żyd" (произносится так же) - совершенно нейтральное слово, соответствующее русскому "еврей".
Собственно, аналогично тому, как русское "негр" - нейтральное обозначение представителя чёрной расы.
http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?s...e&lr=51&nojs=1
http://bikers.name/sites/default/files/getImage-88.jpeg
Думаю, дело в антисемитизме, существовавшем до Революции в России и на бытовом, и на полуофициальном уровне. Тут и религиозные, и культурные конфликты - все вместе.Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
Есть разные версии происхождения данного слова. Мне кажется наиболее вероятной такая:Quote:
Originally Posted by eisenherz
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Академик Алексей Соболевский писал: "Великорусы называют малорусов хохлами, а малорусы великорусов кацапами (то есть козлами) смеясь над внешними особенностями друг друга (в старое время)"
Получается, что русские называли украинцев хохлами за наличие у них на голове хохлов, а украинцы называли русских козлами за наличие у них бород.Quote:
…очевидно, образовано от «цап» с помощью специфического компонента ка-, как шутливое обозначение людей, носящих длинные бороды (Фасмер)
Версия про татарское происхождение слова необоснованна. Но с политической точки зрения она больше нравится современной украинской власти.
Ссылка на источник.
Не всегда.Quote:
Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
1. Пушкин в 19-ом веке употреблял это слово без презрения.
2. Сейчас у этого слова есть ещё одно значение: скряга. Так могут назвать человека любой национальности.
3. В старину слово жидовин (жид) означало только национальность. Пример: Жидовские ворота на Украине.
Эволюция слова - штука любопытная. Сейчас даже употреблять названия некоторых оттенков синего становится неудобно.
It's like in the UK, when you say "Asian" and this actually means "a person of Indian appearance, i.e Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan and Oriental being Chinese. It doesn't make a great deal of sense but any other usage will be misunderstood.
Anyway, I like Canada and I don't want to offend that country when I have a go at the USA. It's true that there is some confusion.
Funnily enough Russian media seems to think it's a matter of time before the USA disintegrates into mulitple countries. If that happens the problem with mixing up America with the USA will be gone!
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Originally Posted by it-ogo
Apparently, the CIA spent a small part of its budget on these paintings in order to promote Abstract Expressionism, because they believed that it would totally freak out and demoralize the Soviets who were accustomed to the blandness of Socialist Realism!
In other words, the idea was that if this is your idea of proper art...
http://cdn3.openculture.com/wp-conte...in-village.jpg
...and you find out that the crazy decadent American artists are making paintings like this...
http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/20...e_pollock8.jpg
...then your skull will do this:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...7/SCANNERS.gif
Look how free we are in America, sovki! ;-)
I can tell you that Hubby gets upset when he has to mark that he is "Hispanic" as he states he is from Central America and therefore American, as he is not from Spain... he is not Hispanic.
еще раз подтверждается что США намного дальше шагнули в процесса распила бюджета по сравнению с Россией :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Это ж надо - вбухать средства в такую нелепую идею. Кто-то наверняка премию получил за это
Затейники - да, но масштабы (если относить к ВВП) думаю всё-таки не те. Иначе ОТКУДА ДОРОГИ? Аэропорты? Авианосцы?
Вряд ли кто до России современной дотянется.
А эта размазня в пятнышках видимо по вкусу ихнему боссу. У нас же от скуки берутся порулить, например, биатлоном, или покупают какую-нибудь зарубежную футбольную команду.
Американцы дёшево отделались!
может лучше размер бюджетов сравнить сначала :)Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv