Thread: Russ =Swedish Vikings?

The Russ originally were swedish Viking correct, was there a large influx of swedes or just some hordes? Also how is Russia influenced by the scandinavian take over, or whatever you would call it? is that why there are more blondes in Russia then in the caucus's, if that is even true?

Not quite - though there are strong theorys in many directions in this subject. You can check the scandinavian lounge, where I posted something about this very topic, and if you don't understand Swedish or Russian, I'll be happy to translate it for you, if you have any questions!

Best Regards !

Zhenya

Of course Russia and Sweden in particular, have a mutual history because of their geograpical closeness. (particullary from a historical perspective, when Finland for most of it's "lifetime" has been a part of Sweden) So needless to say there are quite obvious traces of interaction beetween the two, and of course in particular the western parts of Russia.
The control of the Baltic see, has mostlybeen the source of conflict but of course also served as a link for trading and exchange between people.
About the name "Rus" there is a theory that the name derrives from the name of a Viking "Chieftain", with whom a large numer of slavic people joined to battle, and which, with the "successful" raids of the vikings towards the east and "middleeast", became more and more influential. (roughly!)
However this is a theory, and doesn't neccessarily have to be true!

p.s see scandinavian lounge...

Other theory says the names were known by Hebrew people centuries ago even in the references of Gog, Magog, Tubal, Mosoc mentioned in Genesis 10:2 thousands of years ago. It's good to remember ancient languages have a lot to say about history lost in the midst of time. Arabians (who have a language linked to Hebrew and Aramaic) have always thought some Chinese tribes are the offspring of Japhet and although many people would critize this is "mythology" the shovel of archeologists have found many times there was real history behind, Troy is just an example. This aspect in particular is very interesting when we know Russians have been identified like "white Chinese" with the features like actor Charles Bronson (whose real name was Charles Buchinsky actually and you bet Russian mining people blood was in his).
http://custance.org/old/time/5ch1.html
www.ao.net/~fmoeller/gen10.htm
http://custance.org/Library/Volume1/Par ... pter3.html
www.bibledecoded.com/understanding1.html
www.creationism.org/csshs/v06n2p04.htm

There was some old theory that the Slav tribes were fighting and couldnt agree on anything so they invited a Swedish leader to rule over them. Of course this is quite unikely. Most likely the Swedes invaded.
There were archaelogical finds of Swedish origin on in moden day Ukraine, or around that area. I wrote an essay about this. But I forgot what I wrote.

yes that there are areas in Ukraina that still today speaks Swedish (a fun version of it) is of course a fact "Gammelsvenskby" f. ex, but this does't mean that they have "contributed" to the "Rus name"

Originally Posted by TATY

There was some old theory that the Slav tribes were fighting and couldnt agree on anything so they invited a Swedish leader to rule over them. Of course this is quite unikely. Most likely the Swedes invaded.
There were archaelogical finds of Swedish origin on in moden day Ukraine, or around that area. I wrote an essay about this. But I forgot what I wrote.

The Vikings being invited somewhere

Even though you forgot what you DID write in your essay, so long as you're sure that you DIDN'T write that they were invited. lol. Because, an "F" just wouldn't have cut it. Expulsion, at very least. Or even better, extradition to Sweden, where they probably actually encourage such a theory.

Originally Posted by brett

Originally Posted by TATY

There was some old theory that the Slav tribes were fighting and couldnt agree on anything so they invited a Swedish leader to rule over them. Of course this is quite unikely. Most likely the Swedes invaded.
There were archaelogical finds of Swedish origin on in moden day Ukraine, or around that area. I wrote an essay about this. But I forgot what I wrote.

The Vikings being invited somewhere

Even though you forgot what you DID write in your essay, so long as you're sure that you DIDN'T write that they were invited. lol. Because, an "F" just wouldn't have cut it. Expulsion, at very least. Or even better, extradition to Sweden, where they probably actually encourage such a theory.

Obviously you are not familiar with how one writes a history essay. I mentioned the theory, then give arguements why or why not it is valid.

The most valid version on this topic (in my opinion) is

"Russ/Ross" comes from the boundary river Ros' south of Kiev.

The Norwegian and North Vikings who founded the first Russian State -Rossiya- were known as rus, word related to Viking term rothsmen or oarmen.

Row-row-row your boat, gently by the stream, merely, merely, merely, merely...life is but a dream.....(sang Spock Leonard Nimoy in Star Trek V)...

The word "slavic" are related to the word "slave" in Roman and Bizantine epoch, great porcentage of the slaves came from the South of Russia, or Scythia, as was known in those times. Yet, the history is ......far away from these times....as I said.

I suppose if we go analyzing these things we will understand a lot linked with other ancient civilizations. Chess game, played from ancient times, was probably invented in Iran (Persia) receiving other influences and then spread to the world. The Russian word of the game -shakmati- is close to the original name indicating the antiquity. The Irainian term is shah mat (that appropiatly means "Sha (Xa) is dead", the Anglican version was translated chekmate, in Portuguese xeque-mate, in Spanish jaque-mate.

I was quoting Japhet (Noah's son) and some links maybe 1% of you wanted to read, it's interesting the term "japhetic" included small number of mysterious languages like ancient Sumerian, Georgian, Circassian and Basque...which has a dialect in Caucasian mountains although is spoken in Spain.

Originally Posted by chinitial

The Norwegian and North Vikings who founded the first Russian State -Rossiya-

That's just a theory.

Originally Posted by chinitial

were known as rus, word related to Viking term rothsmen or oarmen.

Yeah right and the word Sweden (Швеция) related to Russian term for sewer - швец. And Norway surely comes from russian word нора (hole). And Vikings are nothing else than husbands of girl, Вика (Vika) by name.

Originally Posted by N

Originally Posted by chinitial

The Norwegian and North Vikings who founded the first Russian State -Rossiya-

That's just a theory.

Originally Posted by chinitial

were known as rus, word related to Viking term rothsmen or oarmen.

Yeah right and the word Sweden (Швеция) related to Russian term for sewer - швец. And Norway surely comes from russian word нора (hole). And Vikings are nothing else than husbands of girl, Вика (Vika) by name.

The term Россия didnt come into use until much much later. That's why Russian has two adjectives for Russian: Русский and Россиский. The former is derived from Русь, the latter is derived from Россия

The Norwegian and North Vikings who founded the first Russian State -Rossiya-

That's just a theory.

chinitial wrote:
were known as rus, word related to Viking term rothsmen or oarmen.

Yeah right and the word Sweden (Швеция) related to Russian term for sewer - швец. And Norway surely comes from russian word нора (hole). And Vikings are nothing else than husbands of girl, Вика (Vika) by name.

Very speculative yes!

My source was a linguist, not my invention and is not just a matter of using false cognates or homophonous meaning different things to write whatever funny association as Taty writes, it's all about history. Even the variations you have mentioned used similar root. Yet, for every theory -even the ones anyone can write- there's an anti-theory in a world where science no longer exists but thousands of scientists in Neo-Babel specialities saying contradictory things. It's a well known fact Scandinavian people traveled far away and the contact was there so I'm not saying nothing new that historians didn't know. Vikings were in Northambria and in fact influenced the English language. For example the word "skull" comesa from Northmen skol and reminds the time when Vikings drank beer in the skulls of their enemies.
English German Dutch
bath bad bad
best best best/bedste
blind blind blind
book buch boek/bog
bread brot brood/ brod
break brechen breken/ braekke
brown braun bruin/brun
cold kalt koud/kold
come kommem komme
dance tanzen danzen/danse
daughter Totchter dotcher/datter

drink trinken drikke
false falsch falsk/vals
father Vater vader/fader
find finden vinden/finde
finger Finger vinger
foot Fuss voet/fod
give geben geben/give
good gut goed/god
green gr

sand Sand zand/sand
see sehen zien/se
send senden zend/sende
shoe Schuh schoen/sho
shoulder Schulter shouder/skulder
silver Silber zilver /sol
sing singen zingen/synge
sink sinken zinken/synke
so so zoo/sa
storm Sturm storm
summer Sommer sommer
think denken denken/taenke
thirst Durst durst/torst
under unter onder/under
wash waschen wassen/vashe
water Wasser water /vand
west Western west/vest
wild wild wild/vild
wind Wind wid/vind
winter Winter winter/vinter
wolf Wolf wolf/ulf
word Wort woord/ord
young jung jong/ung
Some people should think before making irony...

Very nice lists I must say, but how, pray tell, does this concern the topic?

It's an example about the influence of the language spread by the people who were in specific place and time. So, when someone makes irony of things he (she) barely knows it's needed a reminder of these things. If an ancient Viking ship with a dragon in the front arrived in Island harbour, it wouldn't be a problem the communication so we need to study deeper the reasons of these similarities to discover when people met and how the language was spread. I'm mentioning Dutch and Denmark, well were these people offspring of Vikings too? How come Russian language itself was influenced by this if they were visited by Vikings themselves? So, you can't limitate yourself thinking that because you know Russian you already know too much. You should understand maybe the Viking history is related to Russians even before the dogma they taught you in school. I can give you another example. Jewish Russian ancient languages researcher, Zecharia Sitchin, explains Chinese and Sumerian indeed have something in common like glyphs or math spots linked to lines like Fran Rampsey math. He's right. It's not only his discovery but other people have analized cuneiform writing and compared:
www.creationism.org/csshs/v07n4p24.htm